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  •  Putins Op-ed was true. I do not see, how the truth (0+ / 0-)

    can be ridiculous. The United Nations are the only mechanism accepted by the international community to wield force. Putin is completely correct in that a military act without UN approval is an act of aggression.

    Putin was of course not telling the whole truth, leaving out the part about him enabling Assads atrocities. But what he said, was true. Even the part about American exceptionalism - what he says is what people outside of the US think about that claim, mostly.

    He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

    by Sophie Amrain on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:11:46 PM PDT

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    •  Putin left out more than that... (2+ / 0-)
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      Putin is one of the world's greatest liars and hypocrites, especially on human rights, civil liberties and international law.  He talks out of several sides of his mouth at once.  If you want his real views on sovereign authority to act outside UN authority, Google Chechnya and Georgia.  If you want Putin's real view on human rights, check into how he has presided over Russian laws that basically are hunting licenses on gays and ethnic migrants.  If you want how Putin practices his love of civil liberties, check on the cases of the people he has tossed into jail on trumped or imaginary charges, some of whom then "commit suicide" on dubious facts.

      As far as the UN, think on this: the UN has sanctioned and protested against acts of massacre and genocide before.  However action requiring force means a big power (or someone with a big wallet) has to act.  When the big powers are taking opposites sides (as they are in Syria), the UN becomes less useful.  So long as Russia or China wield their veto, Assad can do anything.

      We have seen what that means.  Putin, in the face of the evidence, still claims the rebels gassed their own neighborhoods.  And we are supposed to rely on his judgement of what is right and wrong, legal or illegal?

      People are so anti-war, so (rightfully) feeling betrayed by George W. Bush and his actions, that they have overdone it.  We have jumped the shark when people are lining up behind Putin over Obama.

      On American Exceptionalism, not sure why people are cheering Putin on this.  America has done many wrongs.  But we have done a lot right and we have a lot to be proud of - things that make us exceptional, such as having one of the world's oldest continuous democracies.  We should not apologize for promoting the good values we have on things like women's rights, gay rights, aspiring to combat racial bigotry, have a more just society, etc.    If you mine down, it is in Putin's interest to throw dirt on the idea that America has anything to teach  Russian citizens about democracy.

      "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

      by FDRDemocrat on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:57:11 PM PDT

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    •  If rebels had poison gas they'd use it on Assad, (1+ / 0-)
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      not gas their own people. Assad had been repeatedly trying to clear that neighborhood of rebels. Then, all of a sudden, the Syrian Army sent out orders to stop operations and put on gas masks. Then, the neighborhood was hit by rockets gas canisters that originated from Syrian Army territory. So, it is very clear what happened and that Assad was responsible.

      Mr. Putin is clinging to a bizarre conspiracy theory (not unlike what I have heard from several so-called Liberals here at dkos) about Syrian rebels. I have also heard people here advancing Assad and Putin's theory that all the rebels are terrorists and jihadists. This is absurd. Although people here may think that they are preventing "war" by stopping strikes on his chemical weapons infrastructure, these misguided pacifistic policies are actually protecting Assad and enabling him to keep killing about 5,000 people per month for many years to come. Mr. Putin is hurting is already very low credibility with his bizarre statements and support of murderous dictators. I am really puzzled when I hear people at dkos siding with him on anything.

      Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

      by tekno2600 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:37:13 PM PDT

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