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    All the wars since WWII were unconstitutional and all were avoidable and none had anything to do with defending the US from attack.  All of them were elective wars and aside from Korea, all were in violation of international law as well.

    It's really interesting that you use Libya as an example of a good intervention by the US.  What did we do there?  We overthrew a stable regime that had the support of a large number of the populace with a collection of jihadi terrorists who still haven't been able to form a coherent government.  We took a nation which was a model for the continent in terms of social programs and education and turned it into a cesspool of warring factions.  Is that what would happen in Syria - yes, almost certainly.

    Also let's understand that Assad was not killing people any more than his contemporaries in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia before the jihadi violence that marred the Arab Spring in Syria.  No government faced with an armed opposition is going to sit idly by and let them take over.  But we can stop the slaughter in Syria and the quickest way is for the US and its proxies to stop aiding the terrorist "rebels".

    •  The fact that you would defend Gaddafi and (0+ / 0-)

      actually praise the "stability" of his government tells us all everything we need to know about you and your views. He regularly visited schools to decide which school girls he wanted to kidnap and rape. He traveled with a group of slaves whom he regularly beat in public. He was outraged when Swiss authorities caught him beating his servants at a hotel and demanded he stop. He killed people at whim and often asked other people to kill someone for him as a sign of their loyalty. This included telling children to kill their parents.

      But, you say that helping his people overthrow him and moving away from dictatorship under one of the most brutal and psychotic tyrants of all time was a bad thing because you don't like the factions and that came after him (which you arrogantly and ignorantly call jihadi terrorists). That's how Democracy works. It's not up to arrogant, self righteous people like you to impose your idea of order on another country. The people get to decide how their government will look and how the transition toward life after a tyrant will be. Just because you think a tyrant is convenient or keeps things looking orderly from the outside doesn't mean people should have to live under his brutality. You haven't the fainted clue what a government in Syria will look like after Assad and his thugs are defeated. But, he has already established himself as the most viscous and evil leaders in Syrian history. So, whoever comes after him would automatically start out less bad...and again, it's not your choice. You don't get to decide to selectively enforce the international treaty on genocide--which obligates member nations to act to stop it when they see it happening, even without UN authorization of force--just because you happen to like a certain dictator or arrogantly want to control who comes next when his brutal reign of terror ends.

      Your other assertions about all wars being illegal and unconstitutional are just as ignorant as your claims supporting brutal tyrants. At least I schooled you a little on Korea. But, I learned long ago dealing with so-called peace activists (including a number of Quakers) that they are neither gentle, peace-loving, or even nice people. They can actually be some very mean, self righteous and conniving people, just in a passive aggressive way. They are simply fanatically devoted to the proposition that anything involving military force is automatically bad, even if it would save lives. If the Holocaust happened again, right in front of their eyes, they would oppose any intervention to save innocent people (just as they did oppose WWII). They'd claim the situation would be "worse" if we intervened. They'd say Hitler wasn't such a bad guy. They resort to all kinds of lies and excuses, because they think the ends justify the means. In that way, they have a self-righteousness that is a lot like anti-abortion activists. They are so convinced they are right, despite their highly flawed and twisted ideology, that they think practically anything they do is ok in the service of their goals. Well, to hell with that and all the other fake peace advocates who have blood on their hands through their sins of omission: Failing to stop slaughter right before their eyes and even making excuses for it.

      Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

      by tekno2600 on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 06:26:34 PM PDT

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      •  Not worth the trouble (0+ / 0-)

        Someone as misinformed as you and as dedicated to the religion of the Democratic Party and our noble and ever truthful government is simply not worth the trouble to argue with.

        Don't bother to compare Gaddafi or Assad to the leaders of Bahrain or Saudi Arabia,  major US allies in the region.  Don't bother comparing the situation for the mass of people in Libya now to what is was under the Gaddafi government, or look at any of our other success stories in the region like Afghanistan or Iraq.  No, just swallow the government's narratives whole and don't bother examining the facts.  That's how you can be a good Democrat and continue to piss of the right wing nuts.

        •  There you go again saying Gaddafi was better than (0+ / 0-)

          the current situation in Libya. I know people in Libya right now. This isn't just theory for me. You think you know things, but you are utterly full of crap. You read conspiracy website and then tell people who actually know what is happening over there that we are misinformed? You're a freakin piece of work! And the rulers in Saudi and Bahrain are aholes, but not remotely the kind of psycho that Gaddafi was or Assad is.

          Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

          by tekno2600 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:47:28 AM PDT

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