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  •  So who's saying (3+ / 0-)
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    we should not learn from our enemies?

    What is he saying that is worth listening to yet is going unheard?

    BTW, he really is a villain, and I disagree with your thesis about his desire for the UNSC. His designs seem to be more upon being able to hold back the international community from responding to violations of human rights through his veto power on that council.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:03:38 AM PDT

    •  So you're saying that Putin wakes up in the (6+ / 0-)

      morning, wondering to himself how he can retard human rights protections for its own sake?

      His designs seem to be more upon being able to hold back the international community from responding to violations of human rights through his veto power on that council.
      No wonder you're calling him a 'villain.'

      Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change -- George Monbiot.

      by Nulwee on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:08:08 AM PDT

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      •  I'm calling him a villain (4+ / 0-)
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        because he is, in the mass murdering, human rights abusing sense of the word.

        Yet what you said in your first sentence is a total strawman; I said nothing of the sort and you know it. What I am saying is that he seems keenly interested in neutering the UNSC from taking such action when it's against his own interests to do so, such as when the abuser is an erstwhile ally.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:12:34 AM PDT

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      •  Just as long as he doesn't steal (4+ / 0-)

        our sunlight, I can live with him.

        And when he planned to steal our sunlight, he crossed that line between everyday villainy and cartoonish super-villainy.
        http://www.imdb.com/...

        "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

        by Paleo on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:18:05 AM PDT

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      •  No, but I would argue (3+ / 0-)
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        that he does it for his own sake.  Yes, I would say that.  Because he does do that.  

        We don't have to cartoon-villainize him or humanize him.  He's a politician.  Realpolitik is all that's necessary, especially given that it's his own m.o.  He's a skillful manipulator playing on multiple fronts of organized crime, political power, and popular sentiment.  

        I'm not interested in his appeals from a moral perspective.  I'm interested in what it says about regional power, possible realignments, and the like - basically, the stuff that your diary is saying.  But I don't think that makes him human: I think that makes him a politician.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:27:57 AM PDT

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    •  we've spent over half our UNSC vetoes (5+ / 0-)

      on covering Israel's ass every time they violate international law, which they do pretty much every other week.

      Here is a sampling of what we've used our veto for.

      So no, we are not interested at all in enforcing human rights through UNSC resolutions. That's the last thing we want to do.

      You'll notice Obama is not suggesting that we eliminate the undemocratic veto power of the five permanent members of the UNSC. That's because we've benefited from that power since the founding of the UN, and we intend to hold onto those benefits.

      And in the future, when it suits us, we'll insist that other countries abide by our vetoes and decry them as rogue nations if they try to do exactly what Obama is doing now.

      It's just that now, when it's inconvenient for the interests of the 1% in America, Obama wants a one-time pass to circumvent that veto.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:51:29 AM PDT

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