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    "I once argued that public transit should actually be a public sector service (free to the user), and that somehow inspired incredulity and even a little anger."

    How about this? Austin tried it once. It led to significantly poorer experiences by all passengers, as the crazy homeless folks took to riding them all day for the air conditioning. It's a solid idea, one I had a while back when I first started taking public transportation, but there are a lot of unintended consequences when you start changing things like this.

    •  Only small towns can get away with it. (3+ / 0-)
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      It works pretty well in college towns and in small towns. But you can't support a serious public transportation with no fee for the service in even medium sized city. Completely impossible in  a large city.

        •  You'll never have enough tax revenue to (0+ / 0-)

          sustain it. In a major system, wear and tear alone eats up a massive part of the budget. And you'll likely have a lot more of it with free fare. This would necessitate a massive tax burden, which wouldn't be subject to the changes in demand for the system. You'll have to set taxes for peak levels of use, even when it isn't being used at peak level, and it still wouldn't be enough to cover the wear and tear. Its unsustainable for a major system to rely solely on taxes, which is one none of the do.

          Makes much more sense to have the fare pay for the use, so that the revenue and usage climb and fall accordingly.

          •  "Tax burden"? Since when do we use (2+ / 0-)
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            Cato Institute terminology?  I would think forcing working people to pay to be transported to work for someone else's wealth is a burden.  And as long as it's progressive enough, who gives a shit how high the taxes are?  Let rich people pay to transport the people who work for them.  They already get tax breaks on their own luxuries, why shouldn't workers get their expenses paid too?

    •  Then give the crazy homeless somewhere else (2+ / 0-)
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      to have air conditioning than the buses.  This is not rocket science, and another thing I'm noticing about Millennials is their whiny defeatism when it comes to changing anything.  Maybe what they need is a sports movie training montage to figure out that doing anything worthwhile results in unanticipated problems, and that the solution to those problems is not to just quit.

      •  What have you got against millenials? (1+ / 0-)
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        another thing I'm noticing about Millennials is their whiny defeatism when it comes to changing anything.
        Research shows they are actually open to change.  Your opinion about the generation is just that: opinion.

        Their generation is open to liberal ideas.  They voted for Obama looking for Change.

        Give them results instead of opinions and they'll come back to the Democratic Party.  

        Why blame them for a political environment polluted by big money.  They didn't create it.

        •  Your arguments are entirely passive-aggressive. (0+ / 0-)
          Their generation is open to liberal ideas.  They voted for Obama looking for Change.
          And they/we got exactly the change we built, nothing more and nothing less.  
          Give them results instead of opinions and they'll come back to the Democratic Party.
          Everything anyone ever does has results.  Do you even know what you're saying when you spout these simplistic slogans?
          Why blame them for a political environment polluted by big money.  They didn't create it.
          And I'm sure if your dog takes a shit on your rug, you'll shrug in self-satisfied resignation that you weren't the one who invented dog shit rather than cleaning it up.
      •  ns (0+ / 0-)

        Absolutely agree. It's a disgrace what we do with our homeless population. They need to be in care centers with medical supervision if they have mental health issues, or at least be given warm beds, meals, a shower, and some clean clothes. We live in the richest country on earth. We can afford it.

        But putting them on buses is a really expensive way of giving someone air conditioning.

      •  Defeatism? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry, but fuck you.

        I majored in political science.  I did so because I wanted to try and use the knowledge I gained from it to try and make things better.  Defeatist my ass.

        What's defeatist is that the same generation that gave us hippies and the anti-Vietnam movement went on to give us Reaganomics and the religious right.  

        Many of my generation are still in high school.  How about you give us some time to be able to make changes before you accuse us of being defeatist and doing nothing?

    •  It's Free on Whidbey Island WA (1+ / 0-)
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      or was when we lived there. My wife bussed 90 minutes a day to and from work for nothing.

      Of course they didn't have a significant thosssse people population.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:32:31 PM PDT

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    •  They should address their homeless problem then. (1+ / 0-)
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      That unintended consequence highlighted the societal problem of homelessness. Why does Austin, a fairly affluent city, have such a huge homeless problem? Should more shelters/treatment centers be built to accommodate them? Should more economic opportunity be created to reduce the number of homeless over time?

      "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -- JC, Matthew 6:24

      by Chi on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 06:53:03 AM PDT

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