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  •  thank you for a comprehensive look at the issue (9+ / 0-)

    as I read bits and pieces, various things popped into my mind such as how gun violence reflects the systemic failure of so many of our institutions.  The other industrialized nations have extensive social safety nets and care for their citizens to try to circumvent the core sources of gun violence.

    You have presented a great deal to try to wrap my mind around but the bottom line seems to be that it is time for extensive social change, such as the US experienced between the changes of the New Deal to the Great Society.  The question is if there is a national will for such change or if our citizens are willing to accept an unacceptable status quo

    •  We didn't get to our current state overnight (7+ / 0-)

      You are welcome, Entlord. Nice to see you.

      I agree that just as success has many fathers (and mothers) so does our failures.

      There are many laws/policy/interventions that by themselves won't have much impact, but that together can produce beneficial changes. IMO, we can not afford to cordon off any area and say, "We can't touch that."

      One of the interesting tidbits in the CDC Report is essentially a single observation in Philadelphia, that promoting green spaces, e.g. reclaiming vacant lots and converting them into community gardens, had a measurable impact on reducing gun crime.

      They don't know all the factors but they suggested that green spaces under local control lead to "more informal" community patrols. Nothing like neighborhood watch. And the other factor is simply practical. Vacant lots are places where a criminal can stash a gun before or after a crime. Cleaning up the lots removed those little reservoirs.

      I'll see if I can find the exact pages.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:00:04 PM PDT

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    •  Good morning, entlord. (1+ / 0-)
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      I have missed you.  How have you been?  Any recent acquisitions?

      •  thank you; we are a bit off kilter today (2+ / 0-)
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        Guy was arrested for kidnapping and beating gf and was released RoR.  yesterday he went to the workplace of the gf, shot her in the face w/a shotgun and then blew his head off.
        My daughter knew the guy and his whole family as well as the girl.  The magistrate who released him RoR was the same magistrate who released my daughter's former bf after he kidnapped 2 people and cut one of them when a drug deal went bad.

        She is freaked out over this

        •  Oh my (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm so sorry this is happening in your community. My thoughts go out to you and your daughter and the families of the deceased. Very traumatic for all the survivors.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 07:14:26 AM PDT

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    •  I'm skeptical of widespread social change, BUT ... (1+ / 0-)
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      "Social change" is probably the most difficult kind of change for people to make. Views on guns are firmly and deeply held by good people on all sides.

      Information, statistics, a thoughtful presentation of the arguments - not the most polar arguments on either side, but a way to lop off the extremes so people in the vast middle can reason together about the possibilities - may be our only hope.

      That statement will rouse the absolutists, for whom everything is a slippery slope. They would have more credibility if the lobbyists and spokespeople for absolutism didn't repress gun statistics at every turn. How can we craft any kind of middle ground, working our way(s) toward reasonable and creative compromises, as long as we determinedly know very little about the subject beyond our own heartfelt beliefs?

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 07:09:09 AM PDT

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