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  •  OK, *that's* it! (12+ / 0-)

    Solar panels on every roof. Let's at least have some decentralized backup power that's not in the hands of these fuckers.

    Yes, I know it's intermittent power and I know Detroit is not Santa Barbara. To all renewables naysayers:  to quote Capt. Kirk, "You've got a better idea? Now's the time." I don't know how to kickstart a nuclear power plant, nor how to build one, even if that were a good idea.

    Can we raise money for this? Can we get people who make and install solar to sell their goods/services at a discount? Let's get people together around this. I need to talk to the environmental justice person for the NAACP, Jacqueline.

    Imagine what'll happen this winter if they decide to "punish" the people again. Fuck that. Let's get some independence going here.

    The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 01:48:44 PM PDT

    •  Love your passion and your creative thinking (1+ / 0-)
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      but there are realities that overshadow a program such that you describe...

      I've done community work in Detroit and one of those works was a project (can't remember orgs name right now) where a large group of us from all over volunteered to take a neighborhood and repair houses and paint, etc..  One house was an elderly woman who was home bound while also taking care of her mentally challenged middle-aged son.  It was so hot and her house was boiling...she and her son suffered so much.  So we all pooled and bought a small window air unit and went back down to install the next day and the day after that we went back to finish the construction/paint on her porch.  It was supposed to be a one day big bang and whatever got done on that one day was it, but our group felt sorry for her so we finished what we started, as many other groups also did.

      So what's the problem, you ask?  Well, we installed the window air conditioner unit the second day and found it gone the third day.  And that's the problem with installing solar panels in Detroit.   It will get stolen.  Count on it.  But the panels will be on the ROOF, you say...yeah, and so are the big air conditioning units on buildings and those are stolen for scrap metal.  Just the reality of life in Detroit.

      Detroit has layers of problems so deep, it will take a major Federal program to turn it around.  So many in Michigan just want it all to go away; the reality is just way too daunting to even think about.  And that is why Snyder can get away with what he is doing.  Because no one has a better answer and the majority is out of patience with a population they think can turn around with will power alone.  Snyder talks big about education and a bright future if only we can once and for all balance the books and learn to live within our community means.

      And no, I do not agree with Snyder, nor did I vote for him.  I disagree with his entire ER agenda as well as other policies.  I am simply stating the reason people are willing to give his plan a chance as well as explaining the problem with solar panel donations on Detroit homes.

      •  I think Van Jones needs to be brought in. (1+ / 0-)
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        And I have a hard time believing solar panels would be stolen. They don't have much value except on the roof.

        Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature. If I had Bill Gates money, I'd buy Detroit.

        by ZenTrainer on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 10:51:53 PM PDT

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        •  I welcome Van Jones to the table (1+ / 0-)
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          and can see him elevating the talks.  He is smart.

          Hmm...yep, solar panels don't have much value except on the roof.  The question is: Who's roof?  Take off one and put on another.  See what I mean?  Take off one and sell on the cheap to install on another.  See?  Take off one in Detroit and put on one in Pontiac as a gift.  See?  It doesn't take much to start thinking like a person desperate and hungry and in need of some short cash for food.  Everyone in Detroit knows that it disappears even if it is nailed down.

          •  Yeah solar panels are too fragile. But I know (1+ / 0-)
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            what you mean. I am from MI. We were taught not to leave a Kleenex visible in the car because if someone wanted to blow their nose they would break in.

            Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature. If I had Bill Gates money, I'd buy Detroit.

            by ZenTrainer on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:47:12 AM PDT

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