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    •  Come on! That's too easy. (13+ / 0-)

      It's no fun if the riff raff is in on it.

    •  That takes both sides, unfortunately. (15+ / 0-)

      Even if Obama graduated from Hogwarts, not Harvard, he'd be hard-pressed to negotiate a peaceful resolution alone in the room.  Apparently rattling sabers has some positive outcomes- Monday AM: We have no chemical weapons.  Tuesday PM: We'll give our chemical weapons to third party for disposal. The following Monday the UN reports that there's strong evidence that Sarin was used, and the rockets came from locations under Assad's control.  This allows for the UN to declare this a war crime, charge Assad, and fight off Putin's vetoes against any action.  It might even lead to enough pressure to bring Assad to a peace negotiation.  

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:26:12 PM PDT

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      •  Assad never said Syria had no CW's. He neither (5+ / 0-)

        denied nor confirmed it when questioned. This is standard O/P for diplomats. The US does it all the time when questioned about sensitive issues.

        The Syrian government admitted, over a year ago, that they possessed CW's. This was the basis for Obama's red line if you remember.

        Timeline of Syrian Chemical Weapons Activity, 2012-2013

        July 23, 2012: Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi confirmed for the first time that Syria has chemical weapons, stating that these weapons would never be used against the Syrian people, but only against “external aggression.”

        August 20, 2012: President Barack Obama articulated his red-line regarding  the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Obama said his calculations on a military response would change significantly if the United States sees “a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.”

        It might even lead to enough pressure to bring Assad to a peace negotiation.
        Threats of military attacks by the US never got Saddam or Qaddafi to a "peace" negotiation so I doubt any such "peace" negotiation that insists on the removal of the leader as a prerequisite will get very far. This has been the one  point that has destroyed every possibility for a negotiated solution to date.
        •  You missed the point. (1+ / 0-)
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          It took one day for "no comment" to become an agreement to have them inventoried, catalogued and removed.  One week later it's become difficult to deny Sarin was used at all, or that rebel groups used it.  No invasion, no rockets fired, no drones, no bombers, no troops.  The threat was enough to alter the situation completely.  Given that small puppies probably know this Congress can't act on anything more significant than naming post offices or investigating self-created scandals it appears that President Obama is a pretty convincing figure in countries that aren't really busy refighting The War Of Northern Aggression.  That's a power that makes diplomacy possible.  

          You also missed the timeline of UN efforts to force a diplomatic solution, and Putin's vetoes of everything, including humanitarian aid.  Now the UN is in charge of CW removal and destruction.  Putin has jumped on the chance to look like a genuine world leader, making more vetoes of UN actions a teensy bit more difficult and a crimes against humanity action more likely.  Assad will be maneuvered into peace talks and Putin will be very busy working the room to save his naval base.  It's a major win for diplomacy, it's a win for reining in Executive power here, it also added fuel to the Republicans in Disarray narrative, and gave Iran's new President an opening to work with IAEA while the neo-cons were still fumbling around for ways to make war with Iran a critical necessity cuz Benghazi.  If they couldn't unite around war in Syria they look much less threatening to the rest of the world.  

          Now if Michelle Obama would just champion deep breathing we could stop worrying about the Tea Party.  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:14:55 AM PDT

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          •  Do you have a link backing up your statement (1+ / 0-)
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            You also missed the timeline of UN efforts to force a diplomatic solution, and Putin's vetoes of everything, including humanitarian aid.
            Russia has consistently stated that there is no military solution to the conflict in Syria - it must be political. They have also been consistent in rejecting any proposal that has the prerequisite that Assad first step down. Other reasons for rejection included language that called for military strikes.

            Russia agreed to the latest G8 plan on Syria in June because Assad's removal was taken off the table.

            The biggest stumbling block will be the rejection by some of the opposition parties who are attempting to represent the Syrian people to engage in any dialogue with the Assad regime.

            •  NedSparks posted an excellent (0+ / 0-)

              timeline in a diary here.  My iPhone makes linking nearly impossible and I have no computer except at the library.  The timeline is very clear, easy to find.  Putin is not a hero he's a greedy opportunist, much like Dick Cheney.  

              And everyone with a smidgen of knowledge about the Middle East is pretty clear about Syria being in the midst of various proxy wars, not a civil war.  "There is no military solution" is Obama's #1 message for 2 years.  There may be no diplomatic solution either, but the least-worst solution should really be the top priority, don't you think?

              I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

              by I love OCD on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:45:48 AM PDT

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              •  The are several wars going on in Syria (0+ / 0-)
                And everyone with a smidgen of knowledge about the Middle East is pretty clear about Syria being in the midst of various proxy wars, not a civil war.
                The biggest background factor at play in this conflict is the natural gas pipeline from gas fields in Israel and the Gulf coast (Qatar vs Iran) must go through Syria to connect with Europe. The dollar value of this gas is in the trillions of dollars. Follow the money.

                But there is also a civil war going on. There are a considerable number of people who still support Assad. If this were not true the conflict would be over by now.

                Dancing in Damascus as the country burns: Clubbers who are still enjoying life despite Syria’s civil war

                Around a dozen nightclubs remain open to revellers in the Syrian capital
                Others enjoy nights out at salsa classes or Arabic karaoke nights
                The 30-month-old civil war is estimated to have killed around 100,000 so far

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                "There is no military solution" is Obama's #1 message for 2 years.  There may be no diplomatic solution either, but the least-worst solution should really be the top priority, don't you think?
                "There is no military solution" invariably followed by "Assad must go" as a perquisite for any "diplomatic" talks. Notice that the Syrians can have their "democracy" but ONLY after "Assad must go". This kind of hubris and hypocrisy goes nowhere in the ME.

                It has only been since Obama has dropped this request has there been any movement diplomatically.

                Why The U.S. Needs Bashar Assad To Stay For Now

                Israel is still calling for "Assad must go".

                Israel: Assad must go

                •  According to Syrians, those who live there, (0+ / 0-)

                  Assad must go, Saudi Arabia and Iran should fight it out in their own countries, a free and democratic society is not possible in a religious state, etc.  

                  40 groups fighting proxy wars over oil, Shia vs Sunni, Kurds hated by most non-Kurds, Russia's only Mediterranean base threatened, does not equal a classic civil war.  This is way more complex than rebels versus corrupt government, as is Egypt.  We love simple constructs which is why we're never right about the ME.

                  I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                  by I love OCD on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 02:52:39 PM PDT

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    •  Sometimes you need a stick with a carrot (7+ / 0-)

      and this appears to be one of them.

    •  Fixed this for Markos... (5+ / 0-)
      I know what a president should do about it. So do you. What's shocking is how many people in DC posting here are confused about it.
      And ^^this^^ sucks.

      As of 9pm 8/30/13: RETIRED Pie Warrior. Substance over Sh*t Flinging (as best as I am able) ~ JV

      by JVolvo on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 08:31:47 PM PDT

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