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  •  In that cafeteria? About the same. (7+ / 0-)

    Controlled access. No armed personnel.

    •  You are going to make the claim that (16+ / 0-)

      an army base is not as well defended as a kindergarten?

      What are we spending these trillions of dollars on if our army bases are easy marks?

      •  No hoop is too twisted (9+ / 0-)

        to try to rationalize your beloved hobby or desperately try to validate a gun culture that has no place in a 21st century nation.  

        Every woman is the boss of what goes into her vagina, and what comes out. Not you, not me, not the GOP.

        by nominalize on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:26:54 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, most military bases aren't... (0+ / 0-)

        very secure.

        Even the ones fully fenced in.

        We've been saying this for YEARS.

        Fairchild AFB and Khobar Towers and Ft Hood and all the green-on-unarmed-blue casualties in Afghanistan were EMPIRICAL FUCKING EVIDENCE, and still no-one fucking listens.

        Including all the people stone ignorant of the military here on DKos.

        People like YOU are getting my comrades killed.  Fucking stop doing that please.  

        Your hate-mail will be graded.

        by PavePusher on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:52:02 PM PDT

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        •  Ft. Hood happened, and my S.O. was scheduled (2+ / 0-)
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          to visit her son, recently back from deployment, on-base, in NY.

          Mom: "I probably can't get on-base as you're on lock-down, right?"

          Son: "What's 'lock-down'?"

          Mom: "I heard it on TV, bases are on lock-down."

          Son: "We're in upstate New York, the Army feels that's sufficient to keep intruders away.  People walk on-base, do things, steal things, and we just call the cops, like everyone else."

          Mom: "You have NO security?"

          Son: "Stuff no one should see, or no one should take?  That's got security staff.  No where else. Some soldiers have personal weapons, but they have to be surrendered at the Armory if you're coming on-base.  Mostly though, guys just leave them at-home, unless it's deer season. Then everybody around here has a gun."

          Mom:  "Fort Hood!"

          Son: "ONE incident.  Thousands of bases.  The Army's not going to change, not if it was 100 incidents.  
          Weapons, on-base, are secured.  
          Ammunition, if-issued, is counted, re-counted, and ac-counted-for.  
          We did a live-fire with the deploying unit, and my 3-stripe miscounted going out.
          I spent 22 hours accounting for what was fired, and what was not.  
          Luckily, my numbers and the Armory numbers, matched-up... the 'Old Man' knew this 1 hour in - but let my ass swing, as I have more stripes - and it's my job to know who's fucking-up below me.  
          My 3-stripe is now a 2-stripe, and IF there was missing ammo?  He would be on his way to Ft. Leavenworth, in-chains, and I'd be looking at E-2 as my permanent grade, with all security clearances revoked."

          Mom: "That's just..."

          Son:  "Mom, we have people from all walks of life.  Want to read: Army weapons and ammunition used in gang killings.  Full Story, Page 3.?  
          THAT's a concern, but they will never go on-record saying so.  The military "no tattoos" thing, isn't just about naked women and unit logos, girlfriend names and religion.
          Sporting your 'affiliation' doesn't fly."

          Mom:  "See you around 4pm tomorrow, with your sister."

          Son: "Working until 5... with my sister?  Really?  I should have stayed overseas."

          The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

          by 43north on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:00:47 AM PDT

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