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  •  Get Over It (5+ / 0-)
    i am from north carolina - charlotte, specifically.  "whiteness" as a generalization for all people who are caucasian is just as detrimental as judging by any other skin color.
    A couple of points in response: First, rather than deny and avoid, acknowledge that this diary represents how most black folks feel about the issue, whether you like it or not.

    Second, aside from some idealistic ideals, we are not all the same under our skin, because experience cannot be denied as a powerful influence and determining factor in our world views. Wrongly, "experience," however narrow and skewed, is why this cop squeezed the trigger so quickly. He probably had internalized the very wrong but, to him, scary stereotypes that are around concerning black men. The ingrown police culture would probably reinforce that.

    Finally, I suggest that you not be defensive about your(?) whiteness. One way of knowing that you may have earned trust of non-whites is if those non-whites talk critically about whites when you are around.

    If you're down, stick around...

    People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. - George Orwell

    by paz3 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:45:42 PM PDT

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      Second, aside from some idealistic ideals, we are not all the same under our skin, because experience cannot be denied as a powerful influence and determining factor in our world views.
      I know you were speaking of the specific differences that his experience created in the cop, but I think there is a broader application for this important point.

      Much as we want to believe we are all the same, save the color of our skin, we're not. We can't be. We don't all experience the world in the same way. As whites (me) our understanding of our society and our place in it is so very different than that of  young black men (my teenaged ggrandsons) that we could be on separate planets.

      I think color blindness is dangerous because, as whites, we expect blacks to react the same way we would in a given situation. Which is ridiculous. And when they don't, because their experiences guarantee a different reaction, we somehow want to blame them for not behaving as whites.

      Perhaps if we treated everyone equally, some of these differences would be minimized. But until that happens, and I am not holding my breath while waiting, we must recognize skin color, if only to acknowledge the damage that has been done.

      •  nowhere did i mean to imply that we are all (0+ / 0-)

        "the same" as individuals - my father meant that skin color did not change the fact that we are all human.  he was speaking out against prejudice in the segregated south.

        the term "color blind" is one that grew out of that segregated era where people were discriminated SOLELY because of skin tone.

        the law is "color blind" - the law is "blind" to any peripheral influence except that which is law and is confirmed by precedent.

        i don't expect any individual to act in any situation other than how they bring their own experience to that situation. it is what they have experienced that needs to change in society.  young black youth experience police very differently that white society - that is the reality of our world in the u.s.

        never have i tried to dismiss the bigotry or prejudicial experiences they have had - what i AM saying is that we ALL need to work to change that experience - JUST as my generation changed a nation to stop segregation, to stop legislation that was NOT "color blind" (jim crow laws, for example).

        recognizing how skin color affects part of society is necessary (despite the attempts by republicans to dismiss that in anti-voting laws)... HOWEVER, what i am speaking of is a society where color is no longer the focus. utopia?  perhaps, but i believe that if each of us confronts bigotry we encounter every time we do so, we can make a different and change the world.

        at the very least, we have to keep on trying, damnit!

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:45:50 PM PDT

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    •  "get over it"? wow. (0+ / 0-)

      you really didn't understand any single thing i wrote.

      i am making a broad assumption here that your experience is outside the segregation of the south.  (just checked your profile - yep)

      i have denied and avoided nothing as there is nothing to deny or avoid.  our experiences are VASTLY different - i don't dismiss yours, i'd appreciate it if you didn't dismiss mine so cavalierly.

      as i just explained to susan from 29 - my father's teaching was in the context of the southern racism - his view was to say that we are all HUMAN still when the outer epidermis is removed.

      neither he nor i implied that all people were born or live in stepford. i specifically stated that SOME of us do not see the physical characteristics of people - we focus on the "non-physical" - the mind, the personality, the being.

      your comment that i somehow am "defensive" about my "whiteness" - i don't know how to tell you this, but when people ask me to describe myself, i have NEVER described myself as "white" - or in any other physical description.

      i define who i am by my beliefs, by my actions - my passions.

      heck, half the people on this site still think i am male - i don't even include gender in my definition of "self".

      so, please don't assume that i am what you place upon me.  my friends are of all races, persuasions, genders - and all feel free to passionately debate all issues with me.  why? because we are friends!

      so, please be aware that reading something and not understanding what is written or why, THEN making assumptions about who i am and what i stand for is coming from your own prejudices, not mine.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:55:07 PM PDT

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