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  •  Its time to face facts. Americans are too scared (7+ / 0-)

    to ever think of giving up any of their guns.

    I don't know what it was that turned Americans into such a nation of terrified, frightened people convinced the zombie apocalypse was just around the corner, but it has and it is too late to undo.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:33:38 AM PDT

    •  About 2/3 of Us Do Not Own Guns (20+ / 0-)

      and gun sales for a number of years have been going predominantly to those who already own other guns.

      There is around 90% popular support for tighter gun control laws, but the arms industry moves heaven and earth to unelect representatives who take any action for them, as the recall election in Colorado.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:42:18 AM PDT

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      •  That doesn't pass the logic test. (2+ / 0-)
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        Why would someone who already has a conceal carry license need a second or third?

        From the first page of the google results, visible in the blurb google shows.
        Search was: conceal carry surges among women...
        Ohio conceal carry numbers on pace to double
        Colorado conceal carry permits dramatically increase
        Cirginia conceal carry permits surge
        Conceal carry apps reach all time high in kansas
        South carolina conceal carry permits
        Oklahoma, Tennesee, Wyoming, Nebraska already matched last year's totals
        Texas, Utah, Wisconsin on pace for biggest year EVER.

        I didn't even see the article I wanted to cite. It was about record levels of women getting their conceal carry license in florida.

        If you think that the same old people are buying duplicates of guns that they already own while the ranks of the concealed carry holders undergo a gargantuan growth of people who aren't buying anything to go with their new license, then you should lay off the beer until your head clears.

    •  Simple... (20+ / 0-)
      I don't know what it was that turned Americans into such a nation of terrified, frightened people convinced the zombie apocalypse was just around the corner, but it has and it is too late to undo.
      The gun makers watched their profits sink throughout the late `60s and into the the `70s and determined that they needed to change their marketing strategy.

      Guns went from being primarily promoted for sport purposes (hunting, target shooting, etc.) to being promoted as necessary self-defense tools. Along with that marketing effort came scare tactics from organizations like the NRA and affiliated gun maker mouthpieces.

      It's all about business. Scaring the living hell out of Americans and convincing them they need a weapon to defend themselves is what drives the bottom line of gun makers.

      That's how we got to this point.

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:49:46 AM PDT

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      •  Yep and the gullible lap it up (7+ / 0-)

        They all deny that they're not afraid, that they're "only taking responsibility for their safety."  But it's painfully obvious that, unlike the majority of their fellow Americans, they can't deal with the stresses and uncertainties of daily life without their precious little (or big) firearms.

        I drive through a sleepy, reasonably safe suburb of Portland, Oregon periodically to visit a shopping center.  About a year ago, a closed facility that used to rent power tools and equipment to the weekend do-it-yourself crowd was redeveloped into a gun shop/firing range.

        Guess what it's called?

        Threat Dynamics.

        The principal threat is in these guys heads. But there's no question they aim to make money off gullible people who are afraid.

        It's all about fear and money.

        •  I can deal with daily life without firearms or (1+ / 0-)
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          insisting on banning legal objects from innocent Americans.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:13:09 PM PDT

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          •  There you are with the innocent Americans again (1+ / 0-)
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            You're like a little piece of paper I find stuck to my heel upon exiting the bathroom.

            Look: you can cry your crocodile tears about innocent Americans until those tears flush the mountains into the sea. It doesn't matter. It's a meaningless phrase; one, that, if you took a moment to actually think, you would realize means nothing.

            All people are innocent until they're not.

            Adam Lanza was innocent until he stole his Mom's gun and started his rampage.

            The point is this nation has a firearm problem. It's clear and anyone who denies it has zero credibility. I support major changes to address that problem.

            You evidently don't.

            That makes you part of the problem.

            •  It's clear that you find liberties 'meaningless' (1+ / 0-)
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              "All people are innocent until they're not"
              You just justified the elimination of every liberty, right and freedom there is.
              An interesting viewpoint, however I'm not willing to throw liberties away because you-somehow-find it too scary to live in the United States.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 04:30:57 PM PDT

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    •  When a nation is terrified they turn over their (0+ / 0-)

      liberties for the promise of security.

      There are plenty of us that aren't terrified.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:15:20 PM PDT

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    •  You are right - we are scared (2+ / 0-)
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      Mark Mywurtz, WakeUpNeo

      We are scared to outwardly support gun control laws, because the RKBAers and the NRA Have guns and too many kooks who will use them.  

      Almost every road here in rural upstate NY has a printed sign supporting the repeal of the NY SAFE Act.  The local county sheriff has publicly declared he will virtually not support enforcing it's provisions.

      If we want to put up a sign saying "Why repeal a law which makes us all safer?"  Do you know what would happen?

      It would be riddled with bullet holes by the next AM. (As our No Trespassing & Hunting signs are)  Our dog would be found dead.  Trees would be cut down and probably eventually damage to our house or a fire started in our woods or fields.  

      Local papers would not print a letter to the editor without a signature.  If we went to a gathering of those wanting stricter gun laws, I'm sure we would be photographed, monitored, spied on, IF we could find a room, building to hold such a meeting in.  The guy who plows our driveway, may refuse to do so.  The highway dept guys would make hitting our mailbox in January with a town plow, a priority.  

      •  True (2+ / 0-)
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        PinHole, WakeUpNeo

        At least, I guarantee that if gun law reform proponents had a significant rally for reform, the kooks with their Glocks and ARs would show up to intimidate everyone away.  GUARANTEED.  Fuck...they did it to try and prevent people from getting healthcare, so they would definitely do it to keep reasonable gun reform from getting a hearing.  

        People on the right side of this issue can't stick their necks out too far as you are absolutely right--they risk becoming the target of violence at the hands of the fetishists.  

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 03:08:55 PM PDT

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