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  •  Considering that the suspect appears to have (4+ / 0-)
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    arrived with only a shotgun, and took the two pistols and assault weapon off the police he ambushed, how would supply-side gun control be relevant to this incident?

    Didn't Biden just tell us that the only weapon we should be allowed to have is a shotgun?

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:02:11 AM PDT

    •  If your assertion is correct, he wouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

      gotten the other weapons if he didn't have a shotgun in the first place.

      Oh, yeah, sorry...ONLY  a shotgun. My bad.

      EVERYONE should have shotguns, even the blind!

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      by quinn on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:12:35 AM PDT

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      •  And considering his record, he shouldn't (2+ / 0-)
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        have been able to get the shotgun, if the system were given the resources to work.

        But that's not supply-side gun control.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:45:06 AM PDT

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    •  That has changed, again, this AM, CNN Chevron (0+ / 0-)

      running that he did have an AR-15.

      So now are you going to start liking Biden again?

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      by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:17:30 AM PDT

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      •  Bzzt. FBI still confirming that he arrived with (2+ / 0-)
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        only a shotgun at a press conference this afternoon, this time via Washington Post.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37:41 AM PDT

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        •  All AR-15s are shotguns, but not all shotguns (0+ / 0-)

          are AR-15s.

          So if it wasn't an AR-15, what type of a shotgun was it?

          They aren't saying. So I don't think it has been released yet.

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          by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:54:44 AM PDT

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          •  Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking (3+ / 0-)
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            about.

            AR-15s are not shotguns. AR-15s are "assault weapons".

            They are saying what shotgun it was. They're even saying where he bought it.

            The shotgun was a Remington 870, the bargain-basement defensive shotgun.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:14:17 PM PDT

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            •  Good to know the bargain basement was there (1+ / 0-)
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              to serve.

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              by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:34:17 PM PDT

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            •  Dead people, that is what I am talking about. (1+ / 0-)
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              Hog wild guns unlimited that's what I am talking about.

              You have no idea what you are talking about.

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              by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:35:17 PM PDT

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            •  The Remington 870 never met a conversion kit (0+ / 0-)

              it didn't like

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              This isn't over yet.

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              by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

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              •  Could you just admit you were wrong, (4+ / 0-)
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                instead of continuing to try to save face?

                A buttstock does not turn a shotgun into an AR-15, not even cosmetically, and certainly not functionally.

                Nor have I seen any indications from any reports from authorities that the shotgun was modified with aftermarket accessories, so now you're just grasping at straws.

                Moral certitude is no substitute for being informed.

                Oh, now the FBI is saying that no AR-15 or other assault rifle was used at all, not even one taken off an officer.

                Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:54:16 PM PDT

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                •  So why the confusion is all I am saying. Why (0+ / 0-)

                  didn't it come straight out that it was a Remington 870?

                  It seems like a gun expert would never have been confused for an instant that it was a Remington 870 not an AR-15.

                  Why all these hours and hours of back and forth?

                  I am an anonymous poster. I read headlines. I quoted one head line you quoted another.

                  I wonder why there were 2. Actually what brand of bullets is not even an issue to hog wild guns and their needed limitation.

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                  by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:58:08 PM PDT

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                  •  Because media reported an AR-15 in the early (3+ / 0-)
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                    moments of the story breaking, when they were desperately trying to fill air but didn't know anything, and the meme took on a life of its own?

                    Because they were seeing hundreds of AR-15s strapped to the police and ATF responders (or rather civilian/police M-4s, the fully-automatic equivalent), want incidents like this to be about "assault weapons" so they can breathlessly debate the need for a ban?

                    Because on-air personalities are bubble-heads that throw around buzzwords they've heard but don't understand?

                    The distinction is not academic - under proposals gun-control advocates are constantly pushing, shotguns and "assault weapons" would be treated extremely differently.

                    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                    by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:04:41 PM PDT

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                    •  Because Remington 870 upgrades are commonly (0+ / 0-)

                      available on Amazon.com?

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                      by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:09:07 PM PDT

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                      •  Christ on a cracker, quit digging. (2+ / 0-)
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                        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                        by Robobagpiper on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:09:53 PM PDT

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                        •  Nothing to see here. (0+ / 0-)

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                          by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:19:28 PM PDT

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                        •  You are the gun expert. Yet you will not admit (0+ / 0-)

                          The Remington 870 is a common shotgun used to convert to an AR-15.

                          You deny that someone who took all the trouble to get a badge for entry did not take the time to convert the Remington 870 to an AR-15.

                          That the shooter rented a stock AR-15 and discarded that notion in favor of the Remington 870, which the officials, in their first statements, confused with a stock AR-15. (wherein I wonder if the Remington 870 might have had a conversion kit)

                          I would think as the gun expert you would have brought the conversion of the Remington into the conversation instead of cussing when someone else brought it up.

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                          by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:35:41 PM PDT

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                    •  Here's a timeline in Atlantic Monthly. (0+ / 0-)

                      here

                      THE LATEST 2:10 p.m.: The FBI and local police just updated the media on the investigation, by reiterating that there are no other suspects and that shooter did have an AR-15 rifle during the assault. The FBI says the shotgun he used to carry out the attack was purchased lawfully in Virginia.
                      (9:30 a.m.): Some new small, but important details, have emerged on Tuesday morning, as the investigation continues. The Associated Press reports that the shooter, who was discharged from the Naval Reserves, but continued to work as a military contractor, was treated as recently as last month for several mental illness, including paranoia and voices in his head. Also, the FBI has confirmed that he was not armed with an AR-15 assault rifle, as had been previously reported.
                      Looks like the officials were the bubble-heads throwing around buzzwords if The Atlantic Monthly is accurate in its reporting.

                      No there was confusion and conflict in the official's news release.

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                      by 88kathy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:18:50 PM PDT

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                •  Authoritians (2+ / 0-)
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                  can never admit to being wrong. Witness denials about Colorado for example.

          •  No, AR-15s aren't shotguns. (1+ / 0-)
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            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 12:19:42 PM PDT

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