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  •  Which is the flip side of all those people (26+ / 0-)

    saying that OWS was just a bunch of privileged white people. As soon as we started to deal with issues that directly affect people of color we were accused of "losing our way".

    And it didn't "become" about fighting the police. The police made it about the police by attacking the various occupations.

    •  OWS had a popular message... (2+ / 0-)
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      and then folks started to be "Hey look at me, I'm fighting the police, I'm just like a Freedom Rider".  

      Police are not pro Wall Street greed and corruption, but they want to keep their jobs just the same.  They give some leeway, but they have to enforce the laws.  OWS folks went out of their way to flout the laws and pick fights with the police because it got media coverage.  The park encampments had long worn out their usefulness before the police moved in.  OWS should have known when to declare victory and leave and change tactics for organized marches, days of action and the like.  The park encampments had initial support and curiosity and day in and day out popular support eroded.

      This two year anniversary could have been a yearly celebration and day of action reminder if OWS knew when to declare victory and end the occupations on high notes.  

      Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

      by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37:13 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, when the police protect wall street (5+ / 0-)
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        they are pro wall street. I couldn't care less as to what they believe, what matters is what they do.

        OWS should have known when to declare victory and leave and change tactics for organized marches, days of action and the like.  The park encampments had initial support and curiosity and day in and day out popular support eroded.
        I half agree. I think that the focus on the occupations and ignoring other places was a big mistake, but the occupations were a public space and having them was key. Losing them is what destroyed the movement.

        But it did not "become" about fighting the police. The police made it about the police. Yes, there were a few people here in Oakland who regularly get rowdy at protests and they surprisingly enough went to protests and got rowdy. But the use of police force was and is a serious issue that parallels the nearly complete lack of accountability for those on wall street.

        •  Even without the break ups (1+ / 0-)
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          I felt the air starting to go out of occupy around November. People went home for the holidays and didn't come back.

          Occupy did have some ridiculous white middle-class protest ideas like don't go shopping for a day

          •  Everyone buys shit in a capitalist economy (6+ / 0-)

            Poor, rich, diverse ethnicities... all buy things. If enormous numbers were to boycott purchases, the results could be interesting. Nothing wrong with experimenting with various approaches, and there is nothing white, specifically, about a wide boycott.

            But I really don't remember if this actually was a specific Occupy tactic. In any case, many different tactics were used, and this alone would not define Occupy.

            And wasn't it about the mad day of shopping after thanksgiving...? About not participating?

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:24:11 PM PDT

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            •  Buy Nothing Day has been around for years (4+ / 0-)
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              And I'm a supporter of it. I think it's a decent protest against consumerism.

            •  It's the mentality that's privileged (0+ / 0-)

              Organizing around not going to the mall, rather than a meaningful strike of labor (what's the point of not going shopping one day and then going shopping the next day?).

              •  No one said it was limited to malls (5+ / 0-)
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                And there is nothing wrong with diverse approaches. Occupiers also helped homeowners who were being foreclosed stay in their homes by Occupying the homes to prevent authorities from entering. They also fed the homeless. They protested all the transgressions of Wall Street on the working class.

                Nice try at a strawman. No one ever said Occupy was relying on one tactic. In Occupy, there were many working groups proposing different projects. One tactic alone does not define Occupy.

                "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                by ZhenRen on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:00:17 PM PDT

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