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  •  Certainly the result stemmed from the (2+ / 0-)
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    distance from electoral politics, but I think it's absurd to call that result "success."

    •  The failure started to happen (7+ / 0-)

      when Occupy was identified with progressives specifically. Then we got written into the regular old media narrative and ignored. Organizing people from across the spectrum could have been a powerful movement, but we fell into the old style lefty box.

    •  It changed the national dialogue (27+ / 0-)

      to focus on economic inequality, which is an enormous accomplishment. It also inspired a new generation to become activists. It taught horizontal community self-management techniques, and brought many new people into embracing principles of direct democracy. It fostered greater unity and solidarity in a new generation.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:03:01 PM PDT

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      •  Yes but...fail fail fail (3+ / 0-)
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        It seems to have been branded into peoples' minds, largely by the media.

        Did the Ron Paul movement fail?

        Did the anti-war movement fail?

        Did the Stonewall riots fail?

        None of these protest movements resulted in immediate tangible change, but people don't feel the need to constantly refer to them as failures.

        Apparently nothing will ever teach these people that the other 99 percent of the population exist. —George Orwell

        by ukit on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:18:56 PM PDT

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    •  I thought it had potential (4+ / 0-)

      but the failures were complicated.  Some part of the failure to capitalize on the masses of people turning out were due to the inability to focus on, or agree on what were, core issues.  Part was just weather.  And a lot was the violence that was used upon the citizenry.

      Whatever the causes, its a pretty clear failure in direct results, but it did provide a glimpse of the power of coming together and it validated the notion that people objected to further looting by the kleptocracy.

      75534 4-ever or until dk5

      by NearlyNormal on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:41:12 PM PDT

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    •  It was a good first step. (6+ / 0-)

      Americans are long out of practice in serious political opposition to the Powers That Be.  Frankly Kent State scared most of that generation into keeping their heads down, and this movement was met with unadulterated violence.  They did very well for representatives of a population that generally expects violence to be kept very well-controlled and far away from themselves.  There were genuine heroes, and there were many people who learned the things they need to have learned in order to become heroes.  And the real activists among them haven't quit; they've multiplied and gone underground in the best old-fashioned leftist-organization way. They'll pop up again when opportunity presents.  

      Occupy was important in that it got into public knowledge DESPITE every attempt of the MSM to play it down and ignore it.  It proved that modern social media are a potent tool for mass organizing outside of the oligarchy-controlled channels.  It made TV news about as relevant as Pravda.

      You can't expect to achieve everything on the first try.  The fact that a simple staged protest turned into a national radical movement that had to be put down with violence, and the normal bad PR that accompanies violence, was awesome.

      •  The Black Panthers were murdered in their sleep (7+ / 0-)

        Kent State didn't intimidate us. COINTELPRO literally eliminated the leadership of a number of leftist groups.

        We all had lives to live apart from politics and protest.

        I have never kept my head down.

        look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

        by FishOutofWater on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:47:18 PM PDT

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      •  I remember Kent State & Jackson State very well. (6+ / 0-)

        And it absolutely did not cause me nor anyone I knew to keep their heads down. We put on black armbands and kept on fighting.

        neither did the beatings of my friends, one of whom suffered some vision loss. Didn't stop him either.

        Quite the opposite.

        where are you getting that idea from?

        Vietnam Protests went on for years and years. We never stopped until the war ended.

        God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

        by JayRaye on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:16:09 PM PDT

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