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  •  "abuse" compared to what? (0+ / 0-)

    The USA is the most benevolent empire in world history.

    Only a total inoramus of history could think that the USA bugging a few phones in foreign countries is some eggregous abuse of power on the world stage.

    Have you met the former Soviet Union?  Nazi Germany?  

    Hell, have you met the USA in the 1950s?  1960s?  1970s?  2000s?

    Under Obama we're seeing the most restrained use of NSA power in modern history.  The irony is the Greenwald/Snowden fan boys can't see what the documents actually tell us.  Not only are Constitutional protections in force, but classified documents are maintaining them.

    Think J. Edgar played this way?

    Think Dick Cheney did?

    •  Wow, that's a keeper. (2+ / 0-)
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      I particularly like this part:

      Under Obama we're seeing the most restrained use of NSA power in modern history.  The irony is the Greenwald/Snowden fan boys can't see what the documents actually tell us.  Not only are Constitutional protections in force, but classified documents are maintaining them.

      Think J. Edgar played this way?

      Think Dick Cheney did?

      Obama has done Cheney one better. He has doubled-down and  institutionalized the system, and prosecuted more whistle-blowers than all previous presidents combined.

      Really, either you lack information or I want to know what you are smoking because the NSA and FBI have unprecedented resources and power.

      And, Dude, YOU are the one obsessing over Greenwald and Snowden. The rest of us are discussing the subject of the diary.

      Only a total inoramus of history could think that the USA bugging a few phones in foreign countries is some eggregous abuse of power on the world stage.

      Have you met the former Soviet Union?  Nazi Germany?  

      Wow. Just Wow. I was wondering how Goodwin's Law was going to apply here and you have answered that. I'm impressed.
      •  ok then (0+ / 0-)

        So apparently no mentions of Nazi Germany in a diary discussing the state's ability to perform covert surveillance on  foreign countries.

        As to "institutionalizing," Obama added court oversight where none existed.  So yeah, I suppose conforming the NSA to the Constitution is "institutionalizing" or something.

        Apparently, for you, United States history began in 2000.

        Perhaps you'd like to go a bit further back before shrieking about Obama being a fascimacomunazi.

        •  Time For Your History Lesson (0+ / 0-)

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:46:35 AM PDT

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          •  warrants are still required (0+ / 0-)

            All this smoke in search of a fire and the Greenwald crowd still can't show any warrantless actions.  Accumulating data through digital means still doesn't change the fact that the NSA must get warrants from the FISA court to pursue specific targets.

            Until I see any evidence of lawbrekaing other than Snowden, this is a whole lot of specifics about a system that still maintains warrants, something Bush never did.

            •  Nice Try (0+ / 0-)
              Until I see any evidence of lawbrekaing other than Snowden
              No True Scotsman

              No True Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule.....

              On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

              by stevemb on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:39:58 AM PDT

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