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  •  Universal Human Rights (1+ / 0-)
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    Because Americans understand that rights like free speech are universal. Or at least we're supposed to.

    We've got plenty to keep us busy, but we've also got a lot of people with enough time to weigh in on what we think is right. Righteous people say what's right when we see something wrong, wherever it might be.

    Enforcing protections of those rights is not America's job outside of America. The only exception is when America's existential security is clearly foreseen to depend on foreign rights being protected. Otherwise it's the foreigners' job to get their country to protect theirs.

    There is arguably an American obligation to help foreigners without a democracy to obtain one for themselves. But any such assistance must have a low risk of cost to Americans, and a better than even chance of success, boosted by any benefit in protecting America from the foreigners' rights being abused.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:44:23 AM PDT

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    •  I'm sure Danes would be very much amused (1+ / 0-)
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      to know just how concerned we are about their human rights.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:05:55 AM PDT

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      •  Let's Find Out (0+ / 0-)

        While those without sin should cast the first stone, the first word of criticism need not come from only those without sin.

        I welcome the Danes', or anyone's, legitimate criticism of Americans' failures to protect human rights. If others do not, I am happy to criticise them for it.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:15:43 AM PDT

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    •  The intersection of universal human rights (1+ / 0-)
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      And multiculturalism can present a situation ripe for a head-on collision. There are limitations on the acceptance of both. There are cultures that are inconsistent with universal human rights. Unconditional support for both is impossible.

      •  Every culture includes a resistance to (0+ / 0-)

        some human right or another to different extents, including anglo-american culture. The restrictions on free speech this diary is talking about are one example of that.

        •  If you are suggesting (0+ / 0-)

          that there is some moral equivalence between not reaching the zenith of universal human rights here in the US versus those in other countries, I think you're way off base. Despite great advances over the last century, there is still great work to be done here. But there is nothing in the US that compares to female genital mutilation or the general mistreatment of women in some cultures. The two are not the same.

          •  I'm not suggesting that (0+ / 0-)

            The resistance exists to different extents which means it isn't equivalent. I was just noting that you were right and expanding on that. Multiculturalism is a struggle precisely because we have to overcome the resistance to giving everyone their human rights. I could point out a lot of serious human rights violations in the US, but that isn't the point. We've got to where we are because those of us who do support human rights have fought for those rights.

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