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  •  Ok, then conversly (0+ / 0-)

    Are there any majority Christian countries that don't have democracy? There may be some of those too, but none come to mind.

    And Mexico is not Pakistan. Their democracy may be far from perfect, but the military is not in control of the government.

    •  The drug cartels and the military are in (0+ / 0-)

      effective control of various large swaths of the country. And Pakistan is a parliamentary democracy that isn't controlled by the military. And the lack of involvement in the government of Mexico is a relatively recent thing.

      Are there any majority Christian countries that don't have democracy?
      Russia would be the big one. They technically have democracy, but practically speaking it's a dictatorship.
    •  Pinochet's Chile, Somoza's Nicaragua (1+ / 0-)
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      Castro's Cuba, Hell, most of Latin America for most of its history. At this moment, there are fewer, true.

      Cuba still is majority Christian and lacks democracy.  

      •  Cuba (0+ / 0-)

        That one should have come to mind. Versus every single majority Muslim country where Islam the official religion is not a democracy.

        •  Except that Pakistan is a democracy. (0+ / 0-)

          As is Bangladesh.

          They're far from perfect, but they are democracies.

          And you can add Uganda to the list of Christian nations. And, as I pointed out, Russia.

          •  I'm pretty sure (0+ / 0-)

            Russia has no majority religion.

            •  About 80% of the country belongs to (2+ / 0-)
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              the Russian Orthodox Church.

              •  Wikipedia says something very different (0+ / 0-)
                •  I had old numbers, sorry/ (0+ / 0-)

                  Either way, you're really desperate to paint Islam as anti-democratic. Russia is a country that isn't democratic and is officially Christian even though the majority of people aren't Christian. I'm not sure what about that says that Christianity is cool with democracy.

                  •  I'm not sure (0+ / 0-)

                    why you're so desperate to paint Islam, when mixed with official government structure, as not being an impediment to democracy. The evidence seems pretty overwhelming. Almost all countries with official religions that aren't Islam are democracies. Almost all countries with Islam as the official religion are not democracies.

                    •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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                      Almost all countries with official religions that aren't Islam are democracies.
                      Except for the huge number of counter examples that you were given. And the fact that the majority of those Christian nations that are democracies are former colonialists that still regularly attack Muslim nations might have something to do with the discrepancies. Countries that are Christian and democracies are democracies in spite of Christianity, not because Christianity is conducive to democracy. And you've ignored the counter example of democracies that are Muslim nations.
                      •  I haven't ignored anything (0+ / 0-)

                        There are a couple possible examples of officially Islamic countries that are democracies. Pakistan, which is only arguably a democracy and Bangladesh.  Maybe you want to call Iran a functional democracy? And a couple officially Christian countries that are not democracies.  On balance, I don't think it's close.

                        •  You've ignored everything except religion (0+ / 0-)

                          You really want to blame Islam for a lack of democracy. Ignoring of course all the Muslims fighting for democracy. These are people who have lived under foreign sponsored dictators for decades. I'm sure that has nothing to do with it though.

                          And if Islam is as much of an impediment then you'd expect that it wouldn't matter the official religion is.

                      •  And which (0+ / 0-)

                        Muslim countries are being attacked by former colonialists? Iraq...Afghanistan...Libya. Is it those attacks that keep all the rest of the non-democracies from adopting democracy? Would any of those targets be democracies if not but for attacks by former colonialists? Are they arguing in Saudi Arabia "if only those colonialists weren't attacking our neighbors, we could be a democracy". I don't think that's happening. In SA or any other country. That's not much of an argument.

                        I'm hopeful that Egypt may become a functioning democracy with respect for human rights. Same with Libya, Iraq, Yemen and others. Maybe even eventually Syria. So far it hasn't happened.

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