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  •  Maybe you should have joined and showed them (8+ / 0-)

    how it was done. There was nothing stopping you. In fact, there were many cities that had occupy movements somewhat like you described. I visited one in Phoenix in Nov 2011. I think their reasonable temperament was why they were mostly ignored. Why pay attention to people who aren't a threat to the status quo? As the saying goes "If you're not catching flak, you're not over the target".

    Personally, I don't get why a certain contingent of folks at DK, including yourself, seem to be deeply cynical about OWS. Is it just because you chose not to participate, or because you find it more gratifying to sit on he sidelines and criticize how they did it? In any case you should show a little respect to occupiers, since they gave Obama the issues that he won the election with. I knew quite a few of them when I spent time at Occupy Oakland. They were not only good people, but the best people who were not afraid to fight, put themselves at risk, and be jailed for what they believe in. Could you say the same?

    "Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

    by Jason Hackman on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:33:09 PM PDT

    •  With all due respect ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... our current President was deeply invested in those issues long before OWS.  In fact, the phrase, "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer," has been around for a long long time.  That OWS couldn't get significant forward traction on an issue that has such broad subliminal resonance is, to me, a clear indicator that it was unsuccessful.  Are people familiar with the slogan?  Sure.  But beyond that, what did they learn from OWS that isn't just a rebranding of what they already knew?

      •  With all due respect... (9+ / 0-)

        ... President Obama has mostly given lip service to the concerns of the poor and middle class. The numbers speak for themselves: 95% of all gains since the end of the recession have been made by the top 1% and the median income has fallen 7.3% to the worst it's been in 25 years, while the gap between rich and poor has continued to increase dramatically under his presidency. If he's been deeply invested in anything beyond pumping up the stock market to record levels and cutting government services down to the bare bones I haven't seen it. I've voted for him twice, but there's no denying reality of what he's chosen to accomplish and what he has not.

        I don't know if you recall, but President Obama's main initiative going into the 2012 election was passing more cuts in services on the middle class/poor under the guise of Bowles-Simpson, including cuts in Social Security and Medicare. How exactly would have Obama won the election against Romney with a nuanced debate about how he's going to cut less from SS and Medicare then Romney? I doubt that message would have had Democrats running to the polls. As it was, Occupy came in and saved his bacon by changing the debate from deficit reduction to income inequality, making Romney's wealth, his low tax rate, his remarks about the 47%, and his wall street pedigree huge liabilities. Even Rick Perry started calling him a vulture capitalist and Newt Gingrich attacked his obscene wealth. The class war had shifted and suddenly being a successful businessman was that last you'd want to be in running for president. All thanks to Occupy.

        "Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

        by Jason Hackman on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:09:35 PM PDT

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      •  Deeply invested? (1+ / 0-)
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        Sorry, but that's ridiculous.  I would ask for evidence of this, but I am sure I am going to get the...but, the republicans wouldn't let him excuse.  I seem to recall a famous line of the president, I am the only thing between you [Wall Street] and the pitchforks.  Yeah, he's been invested in the issues of the 99%- like cutting social security, right?

    •  Of course not. (5+ / 0-)

      It's easier for people to explain how it should have been done, after the fact, and without any first-hand experience with the movement other than what they read, saw on TV, or observed from a "safe" distance.

      Monday morning finger-wagging accomplishes a lot more than the movement itself ever did.

      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:59:26 PM PDT

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      •  I would hope you are not making the assumption.... (3+ / 0-)
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        that anyone who has something critical to say about an element of the Occupy movement was not involved.

        I was out in a few small cities, had pizzas delivered to Portland, NY, and a few other sites and I happen to believe that there were mistakes made.

        Examination is not necessarily a bad thing..especially if progress is to be made.

        Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

        by Morgan Sandlin on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:27:43 PM PDT

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