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  •   Always a fear in the deaf community. (21+ / 0-)

    You would think the cops in a community with a deaf school would have some training in how to deal with them but they don't.  The only training they get is how to hurt people if they don't comply.  This is systemic and purposeful.
    The deaf people in my community, my son is one of them, are very wary of the cops and we've talked about only getting them involved if the situation is life threatening.
    I'm surprised about the reports from that deaf school alleging abuse.  There's no way that should happen. Communities have to take charge and demand changes in how cops are trained.  That's easier said than done however in this fucked up culture of violence led by our own government.
    We don't do pinpricks. Right Mr. President.

    •  in many areas, cops make a bit over minimum (4+ / 0-)

      wage.  It is a lousy job for many small towns where the hours are long and unpredictable with a small salary for risking your life on a fairly regular basis.  
      Years ago, when I ran for a Council seat, I advocated increasing benefits and salaries for the local police while at the same time increasing both educational requirements and continuing education requirements.  The idea went nowhere

      •  Seems unlikely. (11+ / 0-)

        Median salary is $50K.

        According to the graph at the link less than 10% of officers make less than $34K, which is more than double the minimum wage.

        •  you can "prove" anything with statistics. (4+ / 0-)

          that chart represents the "median" salary - in other words, the highest and the lowest.

          entlord is talking about his community - where he obviously, as a council member, had direct knowledge of the amount a police officer was paid.

          it hurts our discussion to discount when he has direct personal knowledge. also, as many officers have families, a "salary" of less than $34k is not sufficient.  

          we need to start looking further than our own anger to find out why these things (police misconduct) are occuring so that we can work to end this horrific type of incident.

          whether it be better screening, better mental health counselling or better education and pay, that is what we need to be dealing with so this behavior is stopped!

          and, yes, accountability is also necessary.  

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:20:16 AM PDT

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          •  It's logically impossible for him to be talking (4+ / 0-)

            about just his community when he says

            in many areas, cops make a bit over minimum
            Of course in his community it might be true, but it is simply not true is 'many' communities, for any reasonable interpretation of 'many'.  

            According to the data presented - which shows distribution of salaries, not just median or average salary, as you erroneously claim, very, very few cops could possibly make 'a bit over minimum wage' for any plausible interpretation of 'a bit over.'

            •  depends on how you define communities (1+ / 0-)
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              if we are to parse terms and I would argue that nationally there are more rural communities than urban communities since urban communities routinely contain much larger populations.  Given an income disparity between urban and rural communities, I would continue to assert "many" is as accurate as any term.  If it is not, could you suggest a term which would be more accurate to describe the number of communities where the police are on the lower rungs of the income ladder?

          •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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            you can "prove" anything with statistics.

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:56:21 AM PDT

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        •  not to quibble but does that include overtime? (0+ / 0-)

          After all, for a cop to have to work more than 40 hours per week is not uncommon.  Also, technically, many communities consider a cop to be "on call" 24/7 whereby they are allowed to drive patrol cars home and are expected to carry their service weapons.

          Given the high stress nature of the job and the concomitant "job related" negatives which often emerge in a LEO's personal life, and I think you will find that $50K is hardly a fortune.  BTW, the last time I checked, the beginning salary for a municipal cop locally was around $28K.

      •  Increased educational requirements would (3+ / 0-)
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        help only if the education was the correct kind.  The education they seem to be receiving these days is how to act like the military.  

        It sounds like a laudable goal, but I don't think either the pay (which is actually usually halfway decent) or additional education will solve this kind of problem.  Rather, it's going to require an entirely new mindset.  And that will require the population standing up and saying we're not going to accept this.  And that won't happen until people perceive it as being something that might happen to them.  Right now, people only see it as something that's going to happen to the "troublemakers".

        •  small quibble: most cops with military experience (3+ / 0-)
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          are either trained as support troops or combat troops and not MPs.  Neither experience necessarily serves someone well who would be a police officer.  for example, in the military, there is bayonet practice (there is still this isn't there?  It has been over 40 years and things do change)  Few cops need expertise with a bayonet.

          To carry this further, the goal of combat related training is for the trooper to kill or incapacitate the enemy.  Subduing the enemy or controlling the enemy through dialogue is just not the goal, which it should be for a policeman

          It is a common misconception that military training improves the quality of police recruit.  Given that as many as 25% or more of combat vets suffer from PTSD, previous military service could be seen as a red flag for potential LEO recruits

    •  and HOH (5+ / 0-)

      I have a near profound loss and twice, cops have threatened to throw me in jail for "non response", even though at the start of the traffic stop, i told them I was hard of hearing and could not hear them well over the traffic noise. One cop said,"yeah, right", then got mad when i told him I could not hear him.

      "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

      by azureblue on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:30:49 AM PDT

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