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  •  There will be a next time... (1+ / 0-)
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    gerrilea

    even if gun legislation would pass. Such legislation is no panacea, despite the representations that it is, and everyone would be better off to seek real answers rather than simplistic ones.

    •  Who represents gun laws as a panacea? (2+ / 0-)
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      I'd be curious to know, they should be corrected. Perhaps it's just a strawman of stronger gun law proponents, crafted by the gun lobby. But there's nothing simplistic or fake about stronger gun laws and what they can do to reduce gun violence.

      A list of things that kill people: 1. Conceivably anything. 2. Not guns. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

      by tytalus on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:26:31 AM PDT

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      •  Many, many, many do (1+ / 0-)
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        gerrilea

        The limits suggested, which I support, would be a drop in the bucket, yet is largely smoke and mirrors when it comes to the matter.

        Look at the last line of the diary, which implies that the next time will be due to the absence of legislation.

        •  If there's so many many many, this should be easy! (0+ / 0-)

          best you can do is an implication? Oh well. Yes, there will be more, and sooner, because Congress did nothing.

          A list of things that kill people: 1. Conceivably anything. 2. Not guns. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

          by tytalus on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:42:20 AM PDT

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          •  Why is that? (1+ / 0-)
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            If it's 10% of the population, that is 30 million, which is very many, but that by itself does not mean it would be easy, despite what you say.

            Yes, the best I can do is an implication. So what?

            The "more, and sooner" you refer to will be spinning wheels because, again, it will make little difference until ther larger issues are addressed.

            Have the last word. This is a typical waste that occurs here. I wanted to make an observation that the lack of legislation will not be the reason why it will happen again, as the diarist implied, and it's not necessary to create a dispute about implications.

            •  There's your problem (0+ / 0-)

              It wasn't an observation you made, it was a claim you couldn't back up. It appears to be made of straw.

              Such legislation is no panacea, despite the representations that it is, and everyone would be better off to seek real answers rather than simplistic ones.
              The implication you seem to be making here is to dismiss stronger gun laws as pointless. You can expect that to come under attack here; after all, it's Democrats who are trying to pass them, it's Democrats who value stronger gun laws and reducing gun violence.

              A list of things that kill people: 1. Conceivably anything. 2. Not guns. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

              by tytalus on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:59:17 AM PDT

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