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  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    How many of these mass shootings have been perpetrated by someone that is a member of the NRA? I don't recall a single one where this was raised, although I'm sure there must have been some just by random chance given the number of NRA members in the country.

    Although I'm not a member of the NRA, I've met quite a few people who I know are members and not a single one of them has struck me as "Paranoid" or "Delusional" or mentally ill in any way. It is the case that I live in an urban rather than rural setting and live where the education level is high so my experiences are not statistically representative of the whole country.

    But, do you have any statistically significant evidence for your claim?

    •  Setting aside the snark (0+ / 0-)

      My comment wasn't a professional clinical assessment, and it was less an assessment of mass shooters' membership in the NRA as it was an indictment of those NRA supporters who defend the rights of these shooters to have accessed the weapons that they did.

      That said, when I hear NRA supporters claim that their right/justification to own guns is based on their perceived need to be able to defend themselves from an "oppressive government" I think I can safely put them down in the Paranoid Delusional camp without having to find a link to a scientific study backing this up, as well as feel justified in my belief that there's no practical assessment for "mental health" that they would consider an acceptable reason to restrict anyone's access to guns.

      The polls don't tell us how a candidate is doing, the polls tell us how the media is doing.

      by Thumb on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:11:21 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe it depends on where one hangs out. (0+ / 0-)
        feel justified in my belief that there's no practical assessment for "mental health" that they would consider an acceptable reason to restrict anyone's access to guns.
        You have obviously met very different NRA members than I have over the years. I think few that I've met wouldn't support a firearms possession restriction on those adjudged to currently be mentally ill (perhaps limited to diagnoses that tend to be correlated with violence against others and those that are not managed reliably through medication) through a legal process.
        when I hear NRA supporters claim that their right/justification to own guns is based on their perceived need to be able to defend themselves from an "oppressive government" I think I can safely put them down in the Paranoid Delusional camp
        Speaking as a supporter of the Second Amendment (although I'd entertain repealing it or amending it) along with all the other parts of the Constitution, I would simply say that it's just as reasonable to reword that this way:
        when I hear ACLU supporters claim that their right/justification for their email not to be snooped on by the government is based on their perceived need to be able to avoid retribution from an "oppressive government" I think I can safely put them down in the Paranoid Delusional camp
        Of course I also reject the reworded "quote" (and would not entertain amending or repealing the Fourth Amendment to make such government snooping clearly acceptable).

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