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  •  Some places in the USA are stupider (0+ / 0-)

    than others. By far. We should not equate the entire Union with its lowest common denominator. Nor should we try to force by law, an enlightened view on people who do not wish to accept it.

    •  because freedom (0+ / 0-)


      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:12:54 PM PDT

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      •  No, plurality. (1+ / 0-)
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        Religion, or the absence of it, is an individual choice. It's not up to you or any intelligensia to tell a community what to teach, or what not to teach their kids. Belief in this or that version of reality is something that evolves organically, over time. It is not something that can, or should be enforced by law.

        •  which leads us back to freedom (4+ / 0-)

          to be dumb. to defraud each other while the government has to prove our guilt.

          to maim and kill each other.

          freedom to poison the environment.

          i for one think that enough of us can agree that some of these things can be regulated including what schools are teaching our kids.

          the other side agrees.  they just disagree on the content.

          we'll see who wins in the long run.

          -You want to change the system, run for office.

          by Deep Texan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:31:29 PM PDT

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          •  It's not OUR kids, (2+ / 0-)
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            it's their kids. I agree though, that public schools should not be indoctrinating children into any religion. Catholics have been doing it for centuries, but that doesn't make it right.

            •  doesn't matter (5+ / 0-)

              same way we can enforce seat belt laws, we can regulate the stupid out of americans.

              for the safety of the planet. in a perfect world that was rational, the battle of the ideas and facts would suffice.

              we have limited freedom for a reason.

              -You want to change the system, run for office.

              by Deep Texan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:49:49 PM PDT

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              •  We shall have to agree to disagree. (0+ / 0-)

                I don't think that stupidity can be regulated out of people, at least not when it comes to religious belief. You think it can. Maybe you're right.

                •  Freedom vs. education (15+ / 0-)

                  I want my children taught that they are free to believe in whatever religion their little hearts desire.  And I want them to have at least a basic understanding of how the world functions based on tested, accepted scientific theories.  Sunday school class is the place for the first, and science class is the place for the second.  I don't expect a preacher to get up and try to explain Newtonian principles.  Likewise, I don't want a science teacher starting a class with, "And on the first day He created..."  

                  This isn't legislating the stupid out of people.  They can believe what science has to say or not, I really don't care.  But having their particular religion's story of creation taught as just as possible as evolution gives children a skewed understanding of science, and that hurts America, all of us, in the end.  It's a global stage and teaching "intelligent design" makes our kids no more ready to compete with Europe and Asia than "Flying Spaghetti Monsterism."

            •  No, it isn't. (3+ / 0-)

              Who is this "they" you are speaking of?  The people who want to do this are the GOP of Kansas.  This is not in any way a "community" decision.  A quick search tells me there are nearly 8000 muslims living in Kansas.  A small bit of research should turn up any number of Catholics, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists and other non-fundamentalist Christian people there.

              Is it your belief that when any political party voices a goal it should be considered a request by the community?  

              Perhaps you are one of those people who holds the mistaken belief that our country runs solely on majority rule?  If so, you'd better go brush up on the constitution and the bill of rights.  Our country has taken great pains to protect the minority of the population from simple "majority rules", and religion is one of the areas where this really counts.

    •  We cannot turn our backs on the health and (9+ / 0-)

      well-being of our fellow citizens by allowing a vocal group of WATBs to hijack and endanger the future of a whole state.  Teaching science and math to national standards will equip future generations of Kansans to be employable when they graduate and not be consigned to dead end jobs at the few businesses that haven't been able to relocate out of Kansas the way the aircraft industry is (one of the few high-tech industries Kansas had).  Kansas probably already is a net drain on the national budget in part because of the large territory and low tax base.  This country shouldn't let Kansas get to be an even bigger drain, especially by dooming a generation or more on the Tea Bagger altar.  The Koch brothers hail from Kansas, IIRC.

    •  A dangerous view (2+ / 0-)
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      The enlightened view should be forced on those who do not wish to accept it. Unenlightened viewpoints, especially of a religious nature, that are used as the basis for policy decisions are how we ended up with the Taliban controlling Afghanistan. Non-scientific viewpoints, and specifically those based on religion - those used to justify governmental policy are inherently dangerous to civilization itself.

      We have civilization today because at one point in time the unenlightened amongst us were chastised, stigmatized, and marginalized.

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