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  •  If "our position" on guns was any softer (1+ / 0-)
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    it'd be the  Flying Spaghetti Monster's overcooked "wobbly bits".

    All that was proposed was extending the "Background Check" that applies to in-store sales to "casual sales" -- and a"sales of assault weapon ban. "

    We lived with that piece of foolishness for years before .... in which time the AR-15 design became the most popular single  American firearm -- and then the ban expired.   (So now you can buy Soldier Gun look-alike with factory-installed  bayonet mount, folding stock and flash suppressor, instead of buying the accessories from a catalog and fitting them yourself.)

    So what you mean is "drop this gun safety bullshit -- it's a bigger vote-loser than Negro Equality was in 1964"

    ( LBJ  predicated that the Voting Rights Act would "lose the South  for a generation"  -- and it DID.  (Well,  more like "two generations and still counting")

    Is that how you see it?

    Or is it more a matter of  guns don't harm enough (of the right sort of) people to matter.  Registering the weapons and licensing the owners won't help -- half the dead are Suicides, anyway.

    •  I have no problem with UBCs as long as there (1+ / 0-)
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      isn't a registry.

      I do have a problem banning firearms based on how scary they look, which is what the AWB is.

      So, drop the gun control bullshit, since if you were interested in safety and fixing violence in our society, firearms would not be the first place you look.

      •  I'd agree with the "ugly gun" meme (2+ / 0-)
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        If the ONLY thing "wrong" with Modern Sporting Rifles is that they look so much like military equipment.

        But that's not exactly true, is it ?

        The features that make the AR-15 design so desirable to so many are the features that also make it an easily concealable, rapid fire, high capacity killing machine.

        Granted, I don't think it matters a hoot in hell if there's a bayonet mount AND a bipod AND a flash suppressor AND a muzzle brake on a hobby gun.  Why not ?

        It's the "tactical"stock, pistol grip, and   70 round magazine that make the AR the tool of choice if one wants  to depopulate an elementary school.

        But I think we can agree that Mass Killings are "just the price we bay for Freedom" ... more Americans die of bubonic plague than are killed in "mass killings" -- so who cares?  Right?

        But the opposition to Registry and research that I have believing is entirely in good faith.

        Now, it is generally believed by law enforcers that it is the probability of apprehension, rather than the severity of punishment that dominates people's decisions whether or not to break laws.  In NY, running a red light is, thanks to robot cameras, is almost certain to result in a summons.  Getting caught smuggling a hand gun from Virginia into NY City -- not so much.

        It's the "registry" that allows local law enforcement to
        to trace the weapon found at the crime scene back to the lawbreaker that sold the gun to the criminal.  Sometimes that's a straw-buyer in a licensed shop ... a "casual buyer" at a garage sale or swap meet ... sometimes a burglar who stole the weapon from a "responsible law abiding owner" who didn't bother to report the theft.

        Now ... why would anybody NOT an illegal gun trafficker object to THAT?

        •  Registration leads to confiscation. No thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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          Tactical stock and pistol grip? Are you serious? So yeah, let's put a thumbhole stock on an AR15 and it'll be ok then.

          The problem with AWBs is that they're based on COSMETICS.

          •  "Registration leads to confiscation." (5+ / 0-)

            Eek!  Just look at all those confiscated automobiles, houses, pets, and newborn children.  All of those things (and many more) are registered with the state, but I don't think we've seen a rash of confiscations, have we?

            At some point, you need to address the irrationality of your fears.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 12:46:48 PM PDT

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          •  It's a start: a 7-round clip, and a rigid stock (1+ / 0-)
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            Because  we both know these aren't "cosmetics" ... they're  features that allow the AR-type to be concealed under a mid-length raincoat and fired one-handed -- 70 times without reloading.

            Get rid of them, and all you've got is a military-looking "varmint rifle " ... which I think we can all live with.

            BTW:  Did we ever get into how easily the Bushmaster brand AR can be converted to full-auto operation by any apprentice gunsmith with a milling machine and a set of (downloadable) specifications?  And how much THAT, and the availability of the street-legal-as-hell "Bump Fire Stock" (that sort-of  simulates full-auto fire on the range, anyway) have to do with the popularity of this design.

            "It makes the Laddies feel brave,"   like bagpipes.

          •  Oh ... the Great Australian Confiscation ? (1+ / 0-)
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            Actually, that was a voluntary buy back program ...

            The people who really LIKED their rifles , or actually had NEED for rifles registered and KEPT their weapons.

            Or are we talking about how Adolph Hitler is supposed to have disarmed the German citizenry ?

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