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  •  he passed good laws (6+ / 0-)

    he undoubtedly saved lives. i know this is hard, but for some people that's enough. and we will continue to disdain people who consider guns to be liberties. your concerns are not ours.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:06:35 AM PDT

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    •  "He undoubtedly saved lives" (0+ / 0-)

      Oh there's some doubt.
      Namely because such a do nothing, feel-good law is practically useless & politically devastating.
      Chicago & Washington DC has had draconian gun laws for years, yet their murder rate is far above the national average.

      i know this is hard, but your feelings aren't convincing & your facts are sorely lacking.

      "your concerns are not ours"
      You mean like winning elections?
      Yeah. We know.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:24:24 AM PDT

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      •  gosh (4+ / 0-)

        you mean people can buy guns just outside of cities, and drive into them and shoot people? who knew?

        sorry, frank:

        A new study from the American Journal of Public Health shows that U.S. states with higher estimated rates of gun ownership experience a higher number of firearms-related homicides.

        The study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, examines the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) claim that increased gun ownership does not lead to increased gun violence. It is the largest study conducted to date into the correlation between gun ownership and firearms violence, and the first to comprehensively examine the issue since the tragic shooting last December of 20 children and 7 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

        The study, covering 30 years (1981-2010) in all 50 states, found a “robust correlation” between estimated levels of gun ownership and actual gun homicides at the state level, even when controlling for factors typically associated with homicides. For each 1 percentage point increase in the prevalence of gun ownership, the state firearm homicide rate increases by 0.9 percent, the authors found.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:32:40 AM PDT

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        •  You mean criminals ignored the laws?!? (0+ / 0-)

          Go figure.

          Facts contradict your claim & instead of learning from the facts, you make a lame excuse.

          Color me surprised.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38:47 AM PDT

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          •  i know this is hard (4+ / 0-)
            A new study from the American Journal of Public Health shows that U.S. states with higher estimated rates of gun ownership experience a higher number of firearms-related homicides.

            The study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, examines the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) claim that increased gun ownership does not lead to increased gun violence. It is the largest study conducted to date into the correlation between gun ownership and firearms violence, and the first to comprehensively examine the issue since the tragic shooting last December of 20 children and 7 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

            The study, covering 30 years (1981-2010) in all 50 states, found a “robust correlation” between estimated levels of gun ownership and actual gun homicides at the state level, even when controlling for factors typically associated with homicides. For each 1 percentage point increase in the prevalence of gun ownership, the state firearm homicide rate increases by 0.9 percent, the authors found.The

            they're going to get your guns, frank. yours. love them while you can.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:40:55 AM PDT

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          •  Actually Frank, criminals have already been (0+ / 0-)

            stopped from puchasing guns thanks to the new background check law. Funny how background checks work, isn't. Or, do you see that as taking liberties away from innocent Americans?

            Those who would sacrifice ice cream for frozen yogurt deserve neither.

            •  Nope. So long as it is simply a B/C I don't (0+ / 0-)

              give a shit.

              Do try to pay attention.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 08:51:57 PM PDT

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              •  OK, now we are getting somewhere - so, the (0+ / 0-)

                inconvencience of having to reload a 15 round clip is where you draw the line. And Prez Obama and John Kerry, who you voted for, and who have taken innocent American's civil liberties away, get a pass? Is that how you see it?

                So, it is up to you and you alone to decide what rights are OK to trample and those that are not. Makes perfect sense.

                Those who would sacrifice integrity for a cheap tagline deserve neither.

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