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  •  You might also want to mention that the article (12+ / 0-)

    was published here as a diary three days ago.

    Have you, by chance, gotten in touch with Tom and invited him to sit in on this argument?

    I found his thesis to be totally positive - that the very act of building the security state to the point it has been was enough to ensure its eventual demise, simply because of the sheer number of individuals required to run it.

    The main caveat I would have about building a database to cover politicians is that it is open to the same problems that every other mass collection of data is - there's no way to tell whether transparency is actually happening once the data collection is too large for individual oversight. All it takes is one or two well-placed individuals who decide that blackmail is more profitable than just earning a salary, and transparency can be subverted.

    Whether a system is designed for positive results or negative ones (that definition depends on where you're sitting), once it gets over a certain size and complexity it's much easier to mess with it than it is to sustain it.

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:27:24 AM PDT

    •  Better to have something, than nothing. (5+ / 0-)

      The potential problems you describe don't sound like deal-breakers to me.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 04:59:12 AM PDT

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      •  Didn't say they were. (6+ / 0-)

        But if mass surveillance and the building of comprehensive databases are categorized as tools of subjugation (my interpretation), then it behooves us to take great care not to end up falling into the subjugator category, even (or especially) by accident.

        I think it's probably needed. I think that its mirror image probably exists already on the other side of the fence, totally non-transparently, because one of the first things that gets collected by professional snoops is dirt on the people who might get in their way. Just noting that it's an area that automatically presents great temptation to the people trying to work in it.

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 05:19:51 AM PDT

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      •  Or, to put it another way (sorry, but I just (6+ / 0-)

        couldn't resist once the thought crossed my mind), don't fall into the fallacy that the only way to defeat a bad guy with a database is to have a good guy with a database.

        Sorry, Deadhead ;)

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:57:06 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the link N/T (1+ / 0-)
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      by WB Reeves on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 11:44:28 AM PDT

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