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  •  This will become a major issue in Texas (12+ / 0-)

    for Governor. If Davis runs Abbott will use this as a cudgel. Davis, however, is unafraid and unapologetic for her positions in general, so I will be interested to see how it plays out.

    Running scared of economic issues like this is for Texas is worse than being tarred with them. Too many Democrats have done that in the past. I don't see Davis running away.

    The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

    by bastrop on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:06:17 AM PDT

    •  Amen (15+ / 0-)

      One of these days, Democrats will finally learn that GOP criticism is in no way dependent upon the words and/or actions of Democrats.

      We've had so many spineless Dems over the years who love to say "Well if I say X, the Republicans will say Y about me."

      To which I would say, they're going to say Y about you no matter what you do. In which case, you might as well do whatever the hell you want.

      Voters respect strength and conviction and despise weakness. Like you, I think Davis is smart enough to know that a defensive campaign is a losing one.

      Lots of wind in Texas. Lots of potential energy. Let's hope Davis reminds voters of that.

      They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

      by IndyScott on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:14:54 AM PDT

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    •  Also W.Virginia and Ky Senate races... (4+ / 0-)
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      Basically dooms both of them.  Even if Tennant and Grimes comes out hard at Obama Administration for it - they still have a [D] after their names on the ballot.  

      Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

      by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:21:05 AM PDT

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      •  I hear you but it doesn't have to be that way. (7+ / 0-)

        If they already think they will lose, what do they have to lose by fighting like hell? May be surprised if they can be bold and frame it.

        Erin Brockovich was more than a movie,.

        The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

        by bastrop on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 06:49:09 AM PDT

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        •  Tennant has already asserted a position... (4+ / 0-)
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          ...to appear "appropriately coal friendly" but not necessarily lock herself into unconditionally supporting more coal mining: how coal retirees are treated after the mining companies have essentially discarded them. I expect Grimes to use the same "blueprint" in KY. The key is not to try to "win the coal issue" but to make it as close to "wash" as possible. Tennant and Grimes can win if other issues get some attention.

          I think both women know that Big Coal really doesn't help their base voters and that the real long term job potential is in cleaning up the mess that Big Carbon has left and continues to leave behind.

          Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Egalitare on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:14:42 AM PDT

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          •  Unfortunately, when it comes to jobs (2+ / 0-)
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            people are forced to decide, and that's why it works. WHen there is no other major industry in an area, employers like coal exploit.

            People's water has been poisoned before and it will be again. The question is how bad does it have to get before people won't tolerate it, because dying also gets in the way of employment.

            History tells us people will put up with a whole lot.

            The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

            by bastrop on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:19:27 AM PDT

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      •  You're right (5+ / 0-)

        after all offering an alternative to coal, offering better paying jobs, better health, no mercury poisoning, better environment, cleaner energy are sure fire losers.  So why bother.  

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:02:42 AM PDT

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        •  In WV coal is king. Full stop. (4+ / 0-)

          Men have been dying in the mines for years because it's a job. The environment does not matter one whit to many of those workers. Why do you think the mining companies can get away with mountaintop removal mining?

          I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

          by blue aardvark on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:05:50 AM PDT

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          •  WV is hard to do that for sure (3+ / 0-)
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            I do not know a lot about WV politics other than what I have generally read. We really need a wholesale economic overhaul for Appalachia and other places (Detroit, who was writing about that comparison yesterday?) and that necessitates educational and social policy changes that we are just not going tomake right now in the US, which is a shame but a reality.

            So for WV, dunno. Probably coal will prevail in at least driving out of office anyone who won't play their ball game.

            Other places are more flexible because there are more economic options. Texas is one of them.

            The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

            by bastrop on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 07:14:28 AM PDT

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      •  Good long term policy, dumb short term politics (0+ / 0-)

        This will seriously endanger the chances to pick up the Senate seat in KY and hold the seat in WV. The fact is, is that all of the rational explaining from Grimes or Tenant about how there are better jobs to be had in renewable energy won't matter against McConnell or Capito shouting about how Obama wants to kill your jobs. Anger is always a better motivator than rationality. Just look at what happened in Colorado. Coal means a lot to West Virginians, it is part of the tradition. As it stands right now, the current , market driven forces that are shuttering coal mines are largely being blamed on Obama in WV, even though that has nothing to do with it.
        The fact is is that these policies won't really have any near term effect, being as it doesn't affect existing coal plants, and the market currently is favoring natural gas anyway. I can't fathom why there was a need to make this an issue right this moment, given the importance of holding the senate. No one is planning on building new coal plants right now, if anything, they are closing them down.

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