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  •  Perhaps we identify with the Israeli (14+ / 0-)

    electorate because, as an example, "we" didn't elect George Bush and yet he led us into a criminal war, in our names, that brought the condemnation of the world on us.

    However, the situation in Israel is a bit different.

    While Bush was elected by the slimmest of margins (some say not at all), a poll of Israelis from last year found that:

    A majority would be in favour of 'apartheid' policies

    Two-thirds say Palestinians should not be allowed to vote if West Bank was annexed, while three in four favour segregated roads

    58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians.

    A third want Arab citizens within Israel to be banned from voting in elections to the country's parliament.

    Almost six out of 10 say Jews should be given preference to Arabs in government jobs, 49% say Jewish citizens should be treated better than Arabs, 42% would not want to live in the same building as Arabs and the same number do not want their children going to school with Arabs.

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    While there are many Israelis who don't agree with the above, a many more do. And admit to it.

    BTW, Israelis have achieved their state, and it is a nuclear power. IMO, it's not Zionism that's driving the rightward shift in Israel. It's that they have grown accustomed to the benefits (to them) of an illegal occupation (free land, free water, negligible resistance from the occupied population, etc), and those benefits are not compatible with liberalism (equal rights, anti-occupation stance). Hence a move to the right.

    The Bible is 100% accurate. Especially when thrown at close range.--God

    by Flyswatterbanjo on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 12:58:20 PM PDT

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    •  Bigger part is the upsurge in emigration to Israel (1+ / 0-)
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      from the former Eastern Bloc after the fall of the iron curtain.  Israeli politics is rather unique in that in any given election, ~1/3 of the electorate are immigrants.  As the immigrant demographics shift (in this case towards those who have lived under more statist regimes and bring those prejudices with them as they move), the electoral demographics shift with it.  A significant portion of the immigrant population are coming from situations where, until recently, one group maintained dominance over another by ensuring their military supremacy while undermining the independence of the other.  This understanding of the world has warped the situation even worse than before.

      I would also note that the poll referenced has had some questions raised as to the manner of sample selecting.  I'm not a statistician, but I think that even for a nation as small as Israel, ~500 respondents isn't really good enough for a determination on popular views.

      "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

      by kirrix on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:17:47 PM PDT

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    •  Supported unconditionally by the US. (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Not to mention cut-rate labor. (2+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q, waiting for lefty

      "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:53:16 PM PDT

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    •  i actually agree with your last paragraph (0+ / 0-)

      (a rarity, I know....!)

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