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  •  How about we blame neither? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't blame violent video games OR guns for people's behavior.  I also don't blame drugs, alcohol, past abuse, any of it.  All of them are poor excuses.

    People themselves, and only themselves are to blame for their actions.  When a person causes harm to another person, they made a conscious choice to do so.  We either accept the reality of that, or we'll keep asking ourselves why tragedy happens.  

    Even in the case of true mental illness, that causes that person to be locked in a padded room for life, the inanimate object is still not to blame.  

    No one needs to hold an intervention with a gun to make sure it doesn't start killing people.  Guns don't kill, it's the person who pulls the trigger who made the choice to kill.

    •  but guns make it a lot easier to kill people (2+ / 0-)
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      Brown Thrasher, rbird

      XBoxes don't make very good weapons.

    •  Hammers don't spontaneously seek nails (1+ / 0-)
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      The US is filled with guns and 'gun culture' - aided in no small part by gun manufacturers

      A gun's sole designed purpose is to fire a high velocity projectile typically for the intent of killing and maiming

      Add a society that is fed a fairly high level of paranoia fear mongering both 'grassroots up' and 'political leadership down' with an overarching theme of 'protecting rights'

      Guns and gun culture are a central hub upon which paranoia, fear and violence are all feeding each and expanding the influence of each.

      There are many aspects of the US society that are dysfunctional that assist in the expression of violence - guns and gun culture are certainly contributors, for without this particular "tool" - the glue holding this structure of fear and violence would likely start to weaken

      "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

      by josephk on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 08:43:57 AM PDT

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      •  Nope. Paranoia not based on guns (1+ / 0-)
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        My great aunt was killed by being hacked to death with a machette.  No gun involved.

        How it happened was this:  She was living in low income apartments.  Her next door neighbor was some complete piece of trash, but he was holding it together enough to seem passibly decent.  He didn't have a phone, so my aunt in her charity let him use hers from time to time.

        One day the guy was having a violent argument with his live-in girlfriend.  At some point he left his apartment and went to my aunts apartment to use the phone.  He found my aunt on the phone (with one of her friends), and he freaked out.  In his paranoia, he thought she was calling the cops on him.  He ran back to his apartment, grabbed a machette, and then proceeded to hack my aunt apart.  She actually managed to live a couple days.  I saw her before she died.  Personally I'd rather be shot.

        Now if she had been shot I have no doubt the "gun culture" would have been blamed, the gun would have been blamed.  Everything under the sun would have been blamed except the worthless piece of shit himself.

        But because a machette was used, we didn't have an army of apologists, the psycho took full blame and got life in prison.

        Maybe you can explain why his fear and violence didn't weaken since he didn't own a gun?  Why was he so paranoid if only guns are to blame?

        •  Your personal account is compelling (2+ / 0-)
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          Norm in Chicago, rbird

          - though, I believe You have misrepresented my comment

          There are many aspects of the US society that are dysfunctional that assist in the expression of violence
          Paranoia is sowed throughout the US and I am sorry that violence has so vividly touched your life.

          "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

          by josephk on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 11:33:38 AM PDT

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      •  Absolutely, without guns mentally ill people (0+ / 0-)

        (like the Navy Yard shooter or the 12/14 shooter) cannot kill people. Without guns an abusive husband cannot kill his wife. Without guns gang members would not kill anyone. And on and on.

        It amazes me that so many keep finding excuses for opposing even the most minimal firearm regulations (like licensing, registration and full criminal background checks - none of which violate anyone's rights) by blaming video games, mental illness, poverty, education, etc.  None of these dysfunctional aspects of our society would lead to anyone getting shot if we did not have such easy availability of guns (including for criminals and mentally ill).

        The NRA has certainly won the propaganda war in getting people to whine about rights being violated when in fact none are, and continuing to weaken the few firearms regulations that we have so that they can sell more product. This is not a war about freedoms or rights, it is a war being waged by the NRA to make money - in this case blood money.

        “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it … we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

        by DefendOurConstitution on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 06:59:17 AM PDT

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