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  •  You could run for office. (2+ / 0-)
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    Hey338Too, Joieau

    I'd vote for you.

    There are other Blogs, if the ethos of this one doesn't suit, but personally I would prefer that people stand and fight.

    There are very few rules here, other than don't be a dick and don't advocate for a Third Party. Everything else is just trimmings.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 10:06:27 PM PDT

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    •  Do you see any irony in your comment? (7+ / 0-)

      If you learned enough positive about Joieau to entrust him/her with your vote, you wouldn't be able to advocate Joieau's election here on the largest left-leaning electoral politics blog in the nation if s/he ran as an Independent against a neo-lib Dem.

      This site most certainly is going to hemorrhage participants and potential influence if it continues to rigidly adhere to the "more" half of it's stated mission, without discriminating between good representatives of the peoples' interests and poor.

      While our party continues to move to the right, simply because all our reps have learned our votes are guaranteed (if they can squeak through those pesky primary challenges that are routinely sabotaged by the PTB), Daily Kos continues to enable that rightward movement. Instead of "crashing the gates" we tap timidly and beg admittance, while the gate keepers sneer "Bite me!" The threat of primaries is a sad joke - they do not succeed nearly often enough to advance real change.

      Yes, there are other sites that don't demand fealty to every Tom, Dick and Harriet with a D-suffix. There are other sites that recognize the most effective means of recapturing the party 99% of us support is to demand of our would-be Dem reps that they actually embrace traditional Dem values. It just seems such a waste that those other sites will end up taking the vanguard position enforcing accountability from our party reps, while DKos sinks into irrelevancy.

      This site's stated mission is absurdly contradictory. You don't get better Democrats by electing more Democrats. The latter is achieved by lowering the bar, not by raising it.

      by WisePiper on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 12:04:21 AM PDT

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      •  I do not believe (2+ / 0-)
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        WisePiper, mahakali overdrive

        that either Markos Moulitsas believes or demands this:

        This site most certainly is going to hemorrhage participants and potential influence if it continues to rigidly adhere to the "more" half of it's stated mission, without discriminating between good representatives of the peoples' interests and poor.
        The point is a very simple one ...

        If you vote for a candidate who does not caucus with the Democrats, then you split the vote and we get a Republican.

        That is the math, and advocating it is banned.

        No one has ever told you that you cannot use this site to demonstrate the failings in Democratic candidates and reps.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        Who is twigg?

        by twigg on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 09:16:32 AM PDT

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