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  •  Are you claiming the Vatican has released (2+ / 0-)
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    DocGonzo, Fishtroller01

    all evidence it's got on pedophiles in the Church to the relevant civil authorities?

    If not, the Church is still protecting them.

    "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

    by JesseCW on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 10:49:26 AM PDT

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    •  I claim no such thing (2+ / 0-)
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      I ask for evidence that the Church is protecting hundreds of child rapists, which is a far different thing than "they have not turned over evidence". It's the hundreds of rapist known to the church but not to the authorities that seems to me to need support.

      There are indisputably rapists.
      Some have been prosecuted by authorities.
      In numerous cases, when one rapist was accused publicly, victims came forward both for the first rapist and for others in the same community.
      It is therefore entirely plausible that most rapists within the RCC, at least in the United States, have already been brought to the attention of the authorities by their victims - no thanks to the RCC.

      So now it is alleged that the RCC have hundreds of other priests who (1) no one has had courage to accuse to the police but (2) they nonetheless know about because victims complained to church authorities.
      The count of accused priests, per this link, is about 6,300.

      I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

      by blue aardvark on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 11:08:53 AM PDT

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      •  Thousands of Accused (2+ / 0-)
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        There is no reason whatsoever to believe that the counted accused are the only ones who raped. Everything else we know about rape, about child rape, about powerful men, about the Church, tells us that it's just the tip of the iceberg.

        Against that, we have your ferverent belief that no more rapists are out there uncounted.

        You're not going to get into heaven on the strength of faith in a church that rapes children. You don't have to defend it anymore.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 11:31:03 AM PDT

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