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  •  He said outright that he wants change & reform (0+ / 0-)

    And he's going to listen to church members, not just the hierarchy:

    "many think that changes and reforms can take place in a short time. I believe that we always need time to lay the foundations for real, effective change. And this is the time of discernment… Discernment is always done in the presence of the Lord, looking at the signs, listening to the things that happen, the feeling of the people, especially the poor."
    And he wants a change in the role of women:
    “what I hear about the role of women is often inspired by an ideology of machismo. Women are asking deep questions that must be addressed. The church cannot be herself without the woman and her role … The feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions. The challenge today is this: to think about the specific place of women also in those places where the authority of the church is exercised for various areas of the church.”
    And he is opposed to a rigid hierarchy:
    “I did not always do the necessary consultation. And this was not a good thing. My style of government as a Jesuit at the beginning had many faults… It was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems… But now I hear some people tell me: ‘Do not consult too much, and decide by yourself.’ Instead, I believe that consultation is very important.”
    ...and also doctrinal rigidity:
    “Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists – they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies.”
    And while tradition has its uses, the church must support new ways of doing things:
    “The young Catholic churches, as they grow, develop a synthesis of faith, culture and life, and so it is a synthesis different from the one developed by the ancient churches… They build the future, the young ones with their strength and the others with their wisdom. You always run some risks, of course. The younger churches are likely to feel self-sufficient; the ancient ones are likely to want to impose on the younger churches their cultural models. But we build the future together.”
    Without changing the "culture war" doctrines, he seems set to change their whole meaning. Sounds radical to me!
    •  But he's been completely silent on child rape by (0+ / 0-)

      clergy, which is the dagger pointed at the heart of the church.

      He can change that, but does he have the courage?

      "Get in the way. Create chaos. Cause trouble. " "On global warming there is no more time to change the Overton Window. We have to break it."

      by sturunner on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:02:13 PM PDT

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      •  No, not completely silent... (1+ / 0-)
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        sturunner per links in an earlier comment.

        And I don't think the Pope personally hears such cases. In which case what he needs to do is to change internal processes at many levels.

        If he's for real, he's already working on that...

      •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

        On the plane back from Rio the pope explicitly talked about the abuse of minors as a crime, then used that to distinguish between pedophilia and the alleged consensual homosexual activity of Monsignor Ricca.

        He has not talked at length about the pedophilia issues to my knowledge, but completely silent is not accurate.

        •  Actually 2.0 (0+ / 0-)

          And then there's this, in which he said

          Pope Francis wants the Catholic Church to "act decisively" to root out sexual abuse of children by priests and ensure the perpetrators are punished, the Vatican said on Friday.

          Francis, in a meeting with the Holy See's doctrinal chief, Archbishop Gerhard Mueller, had declared that combating sexual abuse was important "for the Church and its credibility", a statement said.

          Again, you can say (I would say) he hasn't done enough. But it is inaccurate to say he's said "nothing."
      •  And then there's this (0+ / 0-)

        Here's the papacy cooperating in the Dominican sex abuse investigation. Really, I can keep doing this all day.

        •  When anyone in the hierarchy is held responsible (0+ / 0-)

          for covering up child rape & significantly sanctioned, let me know.

          This is not directed at you.  It is just that in the American RCC, the bishops have repeatedly "come clean" to the press but continue to block reasonable settlements only to end up further torturing survivors & paying much more in the end than if they had negotiated a lower settlement early in the process.

          It would be better for the Church's finances & the survivors lives if there  were smaller & earlier settlements.

          "Get in the way. Create chaos. Cause trouble. " "On global warming there is no more time to change the Overton Window. We have to break it."

          by sturunner on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 02:36:56 PM PDT

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          •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

            We can have that conversation based on evidence and fair discussion. We can talk about the hierarchy and specific cases and issues with settlements. I'm all for it. It's just that when someone says, "Pope Francis says nothing," they are either ignoring facts or ignorant of them.

            I want him to say more.

            I want him to say and do a lot of things.

            But that isn't going to stop me from being pleased at the steps forward.

    •  4/24/13 (1+ / 0-)
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      Pope Francis:

      "We must never turn a blind eye. ... I do not believe in taking positions that uphold a certain corporate spirit to avoid damaging the image of the institution. That solution was proposed once in the United States: they proposed switching the priests to a different parish. It is a stupid idea; that way, the priest just takes the problem with him wherever he goes."

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