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  •  There are surely white folks for whom (13+ / 0-)

    the Confederate flag holds a personal, family or military meaning. I can get that, regardless of my personal feeling about the symbol.

    Almost all of the people I have personally known over my years in the South who attach themselves to the Confederate flag do so because the symbol has negative connotations for black people. They want people to know how they feel about race, not how they feel about 19th century southern economic policy.

    It's the perfect symbol for making sure everyone knows you think you are better than black people, plain and simple.

    The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

    by bastrop on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 08:57:33 PM PDT

    •  The rise of this particular flag, which was... (17+ / 0-)

      ...never the official flag of the Confederacy came about after the 1915 film Birth of a Nation celebrated the Klan. (The first feature film ever shown in the White House, and much liked by Woodrow Wilson.) But it really got moving in the '40s and '50s when the civil rights movement began its ascent. Georgia adopted the square version of this flag as part of its state flag specifically to thumb its nose at desegregation efforts. When the outcry over that became too much, the state adopted a new flag 10 years ago. With the exception of the state seal, that new flag is just like the official Confederate flag, the Stars and Bars. What's the message everybody is supposed to get from this?

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 09:43:45 PM PDT

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      •  The origin as battle flags and not National flags (3+ / 0-)
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        was indeedmthe case, and much effort has been made over the years to retrofit Civil War era history to give the flag an official position in the minds of people sympathetic to the Confederacy.

        I have met two people in my time whose attachment to this flag reaches beyond racial animus and into a family military lineage. Both ancestors were minor southern generals. Neither of these two men are particularly racist, though both reflect their privileged, white southern heritage.

        For most people, by far, their attachment to the flag is reflective of the racial animus and bigotry you illustrate above.

        The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

        by bastrop on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 10:04:20 PM PDT

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