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  •  Oh and one more thing. You are right about one (0+ / 0-)

    thing.  No one individual has "agency" over which news network or politician succeeds or fails.  Just like you and I personally have no "agency" over whether Walmart or Costco go out of business.  One customer does not make or break anything.  Thats why its called macro or meta or the market.  Its the combined actions of millions of people that lead to the ultimate results of an issue, business, politician, or media outlet.  And exactly as I described, while you and I and the tens or hundreds of thousands of us here at Kos may vehemently hate Walmart, Mitch McConnell, or Republicans in general, the macro of people quite obviously do not.  I say obvious simply, because our reality is a reflection of those meta trends.  We The People make our own reality.  The reason why Walmart is subsidized to the tune of billions of dollars through its workers getting such low pay as to receive welfare, is because the people allow it.  If there was sufficient outrage, and not just here in small niche progressive media, then the minimum wage would easily be lifted.  Sure, polls may show a majority in support of raising the minimum wage or tightening gun regulations, but there are no widespread marches or public displays to drive those policies past the legislative finish line.  I am only describing the world, I sure don't agree with it

    "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

    by Auburn Parks on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 03:18:32 PM PDT

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    •  Well, I hear what you're saying, Auburn, (1+ / 0-)
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      but again, I just want to be clear that I don't think people shop at Walmart because they are actively voting with their feet for Walmart's oppressive wage conditions or their negative impact on local economies.

      Folks in my neck of the woods have been forced to embrace the race to the bottom: precarious, underpaid local employment translates into slim paychecks and increased reliance upon Walmart's low, low prices. It's all well and good to tell them to be outraged about Walmart has done, but in the meantime, who is going to keep them in cheap Blu-Ray players and flat-screen TVs?

      It's true, what you're saying above, that folks haven't magically migrated to dKos, Truthout, and Alternet in the wake of the mainstream media's descent into shittiness. But again, is it reasonable to expect Joe Overworked to come home from a hard day at his second job and pore through progressive analyses of climate debates, or Robert Reich's latest push to raise the cap on payroll taxes?

      No, they'll come home, turn on the Voice, and if they have half an ounce of energy left after that, they'll try to get the headlines on CNN. And who can blame them? We may browbeat folks for indulging in what we think are vacuous, ideologically suspect media choices, but when it comes down to it, none of this was ever voted on in any democratic fashion. The MSM push us aggressively in the direction that they want us to go, and we follow... or we buck the trend and amble over to Truthout. But folks who can do that, often have the time and disposable leisure to pore over policy analyses and political tracts.  

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 04:33:38 PM PDT

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      •  Dale, you've definitely hit on the crux of the (0+ / 0-)

        problem for why more people aren't informed better.  Because it takes time to do so, and time is something that many people cant afford.  Self actualization, Maslow's hierarchy of needs and all.  Believe me I understand all that very well, as all of us activists need to understand because the logistics of progressive change and informing the public are just as important as the message itself.  Thats why people pay good money for marketing and messaging firms, there's a whole science out there on this stuff.  Some people spend their whole lives trying to understand personal and social psychology.  Like I said, I get all that.

        But that fact remains, regardless of the REASONS for why the electorate is of badly or plainly misinformed, the fact remains that they are.  And the reality that they are misinformed is one of the key components of why public opinion is what it is.  I would never disagree with that.  In this case, YOU are simply describing reality.  Nevertheless, the sad reality is that public opinion, purchasing or viewing decisions reflect the macro POV of the populace at large still stands.  I am simply pointing out a very broad tautology claim, that "the people" get what they "want".  Thats the very fundamental nature of society.  Before the civil war, the country got slavery because thats what it wanted.  As the people's attitude toward slavery evolved over time, We got to the point where We wanted to do something about it.  Turns out that war was necessary to change the social rules that previously allowed the practice.  Soak that in for a second, 100's of thousands of people died to keep the union united and end slavery, thats the very definition of social determination on a particular subject.  Was that generation's free time any more available?  I would posit that it was not.  Today, there is no issue that could drive the masses to civil war, today, we can't even drive the populace to stand up in mass against the institutional bribery of our Congress, even after the largest financial disaster in the last 100 years.  Something must account for this fact, and the cold reality is that the people are just simply not mad enough about the trillions of dollars of fraud perpetrated on us in the run up to the Great Recession.  Again, this much is legion, it can't be denied, now I am simply describing reality.

        P.S. I wasn't necessarily mentioning Walmart in the sense that people stop shopping there.  I would never begrudge a poor person saving as much of their meager income as possible.  The public acceptance comes into play with regard to accepting the minimum and regulatory laws that allow Walmart to pay their workers so little, thereby effectively reaping the billions of dollars in subsidies that We give them

        MMT = Reality

        "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

        by Auburn Parks on Mon Sep 23, 2013 at 05:18:37 PM PDT

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