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    if he really did want to rush to war in Syria only to be stymied by world opinion, as many believe, it seems odd that he'd now be willing to go the extra mile as he just has to open dialogue with Iran.  

    The two don't really square for me.  Much more convincing that he was engaging in gunboat diplomacy and hoping for a peaceful solution.

    •  Gunboat diplomacy didn't work in the 1800s... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and doesn't work now.  Did you ever study the US-Paraguay war?

      IMO he was influenced by the neo-cons and warmongers and was lucky to put the Congress approval track in place.  11 dimension chess?  More like a roll of the dice.

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      by Shockwave on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 11:53:14 AM PDT

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      •  again, (1+ / 0-)
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        Would a neocon do anything NEAR what he's doing with Iran?  If he was so completely and easily influenced by the neocons on Syria -- which makes NO sense given the rest of his presidency -- why would he now do a complete 180 on Iran?  Did he suddenly see the light and start reading Noam Chomsky instead of Bill Kristol after Syria, for some reason?  

        Or was he not really influenced by them to begin with? I know which one is easier for me to believe.

    •  My guess is that Obama was playing (0+ / 0-)

      both sides off the middle. That in deciding to seek Congressional approval for an attack, he knew that he probably wouldn't get it from the House. Nor from the US public at large.

      This allowed him (and Kerry) to go bellicose on rhetoric (leaving open the threat of acting even without Congressional approval) while back-channeling with Putin for a diplomatic solution. And meanwhile keeping the US war hawks at bay.

      This is only a guess though. Obama's a hard guy (for me) to read. However it came about, diplomacy seems to be working, at least for now.

      And any steps toward rapprochement with Iran should be applauded and encouraged by one and all.

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