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  •  BUDGETS DO NOT FUND THE GOVERNMENT (8+ / 0-)

    Appropriation bills do -- and NONE of the appropriation bills have passed this year. Didn't you read about the Farm Bill failing, about the Transportation bill being pulled from the floor? And that's 2 out of 13...

    Has anyone heard a peep about Defense? Treasury?

    Get it through your heads, the so-called budget bills are empty fluff -- the real decisions are made in committee (or used to be). So having "passed" a budget means nothing.

    And letting it wait for an omnibus spending bill means that there will be much more wasteful spending, because few will actually know what is in that bill.

    •  But (1+ / 0-)
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      I could be wrong, but don't budget agreements set the parameters for appropriations?

      The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions. James Russell Lowell

      by Serendipity on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 11:24:45 AM PDT

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      •  They do IF (0+ / 0-)

        The budget passed by the House and the budget passed by the Senate is reconciled and agreed on by both parties. That hasn't happened for YEARS.

        So that's when the House and Senate end up setting the spending bill by bill in the appropriations process. That's one of the reasons the Senate hasn't bothered with budgets in the last few years, instead they've gone straight to making changes in the appropriation bills the House has sent them.

        The Republicans have turned routine processes into battlegrounds -- we don't really have even a hope of a rational budget process anymore.

    •  Budgets are required by law. (0+ / 0-)

      Appropriations are not.  Therefore, most of the politicking that's going to shape appropriations occur during the budgetary battles.  That's the one nobody can get around (at least, not forever).

      "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

      by rainmanjr on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:52:10 PM PDT

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      •  Appropriations ARE law as well. (0+ / 0-)

        Why do you think it's required that they be passed by September 30th each year?

        The budgets are supposed to set the limits for the appropriations...but as I said above, the Repubs have pretty much derailed this. And the Democrats did not behave this way under Bush II.

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