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  •  These people are not susceptible (20+ / 0-)

    to reason, compromise, or fair play. There is no real honor in them. They have created permanent (rotten) boroughs for themselves and are backed by the vilest big money guys in the world...

    We have a terrible problem. I'm glad Village dems are finally figuring it out. Hope it's not too late.

    There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

    by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 01:06:40 PM PDT

    •  Many are primarily driven by reason ... (7+ / 0-)

      ... but the GOP has created a system in which a career politician who hopes to win and hold a House seat in a gerrymandered district has to act crazy to avoid being primaried.

      Now, sooner or later a politician driven by reason will face a strong reason why they should depart from the crazy, while a crazy politician will always be crazy, so its true that we have also created a system that helps increase the number of crazy politicians.

      But we cannot ignore the multiplier effect of only fearing a challenge on the right in a GOP primary and not fearing any challenge from the center or center-right during the General Election.

      Given advantages of incumbency, if the system was changed, the first big impact would be that the multiplier would vanish quite quickly, as the reasonable politicians who simply have good reason to act crazy would quite quickly and cynically moderate their positions.

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      by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 01:18:02 PM PDT

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      •  Makes good sense, what you said. (4+ / 0-)
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        But maybe you're really crazy and just acting rational. :)

      •  Most of the tea party congressmen are not (2+ / 0-)
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        canny careerists cynically pretending to be crazy. Many of them - maybe not all (hard to say) - are zealots. It's not that I don't share your cynicism over doings in the Village. The idea that our enemies are base opportunists who will shift with the changing winds is the optimistic view, IMO. Sad that!

        There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

        by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 01:42:35 PM PDT

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        •  However, if it was just the tea party ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... congressmen, there wouldn't be a problem. Any time that the majority of the House Republican Caucus that are not tea party congressmen wanted to crack the whip, they could draft legislation that would attract enough Democratic votes to pass.

          But if they did that, they would get primaried. So they don't do that.

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          by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 08:18:08 PM PDT

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          •  So those who are not zealots (1+ / 0-)
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            fear facing and losing to a zealot in the primaries. The problem is right wing zealotry, the billionaires who fund it, and a handful of compliant DINOs who sometimes enable it. It's actually as bad a problem or worse at the state lege and gubernatorial levels. It's not just a passing fad or short term tactical positioning.

            There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

            by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:20:41 PM PDT

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            •  Hunter quoting Jim Fallows in the open thread (2+ / 0-)
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              In case the point is not clear yet: there is no post-Civil War precedent for what the House GOP is doing now. It is radical, and dangerous for the economy and our process of government, and its departure from past political disagreements can't be buffed away or ignored.

              There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

              by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:24:07 PM PDT

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            •  Quite so ~ the foundation of the gerrymander ... (2+ / 0-)
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              ... at the Federal level is in the state legislatures, in many states, after all.

              And in a state like Ohio, where the balance of power in the gerrymander is in statewide offices, the fact that 2010 was a first term mid-term election for a Democratic President was fatal: we had a majority of State Representative votes for Democrats in 2012, and the Republican majority is 59 to 40.

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              by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:49:42 PM PDT

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      •  2010 redistricted me... (4+ / 0-)

        ...so instead of being in a quasi-swing district (the old NY-29), I'm now in a very safely gerrymandered blue district and represented by the sainted Louise Slaughter.

        But I keep an eye on my old congresscritter, Tom Reed, who ended up with a more safely red district.

        After several years of observation, I still can't quite figure out whether he's crazy-crazy, or reasonable-acting-crazy-to-win.

        The district he represents, while safely Republican, isn't crazy-crazy Republican; it was created at the behest of one of those now-defunct sane moderate Republicans, Amo Houghton. It includes a big swath of New York Appalachia, but also includes the high-tech mecca of Corning (where Reed was once mayor) and deep-blue Ithaca and Tompkins County.

        I don't think Reed needs to side with the crazies to have an easy path to reelection. Yet every chance he gets to go hard-right, he does, to the point where there's never an inch of daylight between Reed and the backside of Eric Cantor. (Ewww.)

        It may just be that Reed isn't all that bright. He seems to keep having issues with properly paying his taxes, something a brighter politician would know to avoid.

        He has, in keeping with current Republican back-bench tradition, precisely nothing to show for himself when it comes to legislative initiatives or accomplishments. He's brought damn near nothing by way of economic improvement to his district, which could desperately use some.

        And yet he's probably safely entrenched in his seat until at least 2022. Sigh.

        Intended to be a factual statement.

        by ipsos on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 04:29:27 PM PDT

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