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  •  Most of the tea party congressmen are not (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, Ian Reifowitz

    canny careerists cynically pretending to be crazy. Many of them - maybe not all (hard to say) - are zealots. It's not that I don't share your cynicism over doings in the Village. The idea that our enemies are base opportunists who will shift with the changing winds is the optimistic view, IMO. Sad that!

    There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

    by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 01:42:35 PM PDT

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    •  However, if it was just the tea party ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... congressmen, there wouldn't be a problem. Any time that the majority of the House Republican Caucus that are not tea party congressmen wanted to crack the whip, they could draft legislation that would attract enough Democratic votes to pass.

      But if they did that, they would get primaried. So they don't do that.

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      by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 08:18:08 PM PDT

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      •  So those who are not zealots (1+ / 0-)
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        fear facing and losing to a zealot in the primaries. The problem is right wing zealotry, the billionaires who fund it, and a handful of compliant DINOs who sometimes enable it. It's actually as bad a problem or worse at the state lege and gubernatorial levels. It's not just a passing fad or short term tactical positioning.

        There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

        by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:20:41 PM PDT

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        •  Hunter quoting Jim Fallows in the open thread (2+ / 0-)
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          In case the point is not clear yet: there is no post-Civil War precedent for what the House GOP is doing now. It is radical, and dangerous for the economy and our process of government, and its departure from past political disagreements can't be buffed away or ignored.

          There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

          by chuckvw on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:24:07 PM PDT

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        •  Quite so ~ the foundation of the gerrymander ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... at the Federal level is in the state legislatures, in many states, after all.

          And in a state like Ohio, where the balance of power in the gerrymander is in statewide offices, the fact that 2010 was a first term mid-term election for a Democratic President was fatal: we had a majority of State Representative votes for Democrats in 2012, and the Republican majority is 59 to 40.

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          by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 09:49:42 PM PDT

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