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  •  Take charge and draw more Dem districts. (2+ / 0-)
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    Ian Reifowitz, hmi

    The idea that you can take politics out of something as fundamentally political as drawing Congressional districts is a fantasy. It's not going to happen in most states. We have to do the hard work of getting Democratic Governors and state legislators to draw more Democratic Districts. That's how Illinois took five Republicans out of Congress in 2012.

    •  Other countries have managed it. (1+ / 0-)
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      Ian Reifowitz

      So has a number of states in the union.

      •  So you're willing to give up Dem seats? (1+ / 0-)
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        Ian Reifowitz

        What you're saying is that you're willing to give up Democratic seats in Congress in order to support this notion that you can take the politics out of politics. Personally, I'd rather have a bigger majority in Congress. It will be a real problem when Republican states are gerrymandering to maximize their seats but Democratic states aren't. That won't get us a Dem majority.

        •  A couple of responses (1+ / 0-)
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          Ian Reifowitz

          1) California voters put in a nonpartisan redistricting plan over the objections of Democratic party poohbahs who had the same objections you do. The result: With nonpartisan districting Dems GAINED five House seats. Glad we didn't listen to the party hacks.

          Gerrymandering is an incumbent protection racket. That's why even minority party incumbents don't complain about.  Their jobs stay safe. But in a fair fight Democrats did better in California than when they tried to rig the results. Go figure.

          2) Democrats gaining seats by giving up gerrymandering isn't going to happen everywhere.

          To avoid the unilateral disarmament that you and Ian rightfully worry about there doesn't have to be a national plan. States can pair themselves with equally sized states that vote for the opposite party. Heavily Republican gerrymandered Ohio with 16 seats would agree to go nonpartisan when Democratic Illinois with 18 seats does. New York and Massachusetts have as many seats together as Texas does on its own. They could pass legislation to go nonpartisan when all of them do.

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