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  •  There's a difference between (12+ / 0-)

    "sessions being open to the public" and "the treaty being classified information".

    Please be sure to consider that.

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 04:40:36 PM PDT

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    •  I see "the treaty being classified information" (1+ / 0-)
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      The preliminary propositions are being shared with authorized interested parties and to prevent the early drafts and negotiable sections from being publicized the set up "the treaty being classified information".

      The reviewers with specific monetary interests (all those companies) probably have to sign agreements.

      The day will come when the treaty is signed and presented for ratification and they cannot ratify a secret trade treaty.

      The issue of Congress having trade regulatory authority isn't being bypassed by the TPP since Congress will need to pass laws through regular order to implement the treaty. While the Executive Branch initiates the ratification process, the Senate has to openly ratify the treaty, those actions don't place a requirement that the House must pass laws implementing the treaty.

      The TPP seems to me to be used by many on the left as a fear generator. No one knows whether environmental and labor concerns are dealt with within the treaty but the susceptible are becoming afraid of something that doesn't exist in it's final form.

      I see "Fast Track" authority as a good thing since it tells our treaty partners that we will attempt to pass the treaty as signed if a President can pass it through the Senate with the required 2/3rds vote. We can't have 18 national assemblies tweaking treaties during the ratification process. (I guess we could since the politicians would love changing it and holding dozens of meaningless signing ceremonies)

      I'll decide how I feel about the treaty as a whole and in it's complete form. Worrying about uncompleted treaties is as effective as worrying about trial balloons and Kabuki theater our Politicians float and engage in.

      I, for one, have no problem being led by a 3500 year old Pharaoh who was trained by space aliens on a distant star.

      by Tomtech on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 05:17:48 PM PDT

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      •  By then it will be far too late (17+ / 0-)

        Meanwhile, all those words and paragraphs of yours do not obscure the fact remains that these things have never in the past been "classified".

        The fact that Congress engages in Kabuki as a general rule is, of course, beside the point.

        If you want to trust your Betters on this, be my guest. Most people living in the present do tend to prefer a far more proactive approach. It's helpful to get the word out that an unprecedented level of secrecy is being fostered on this "negotiation". That suggests they have something to hide, these "authorized, interested parties".  

        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

        by lunachickie on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 05:37:38 PM PDT

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      •  All sounds pretty good, except the part you left (1+ / 0-)
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        out about Congress being corrupted by the very corporate actors that stand to gain by this treaty.

        They negotiate in secret because they argue over what they think they can get their toadies to pass, or what it will take and who will likely take, bribes to get it passed.

        It's the way the Game of Corruption is played.

        "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

        by Pescadero Bill on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:15:38 AM PDT

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