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  •  Fluff except that your definition is No. 4... (2+ / 0-)
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    navajo, JesseCW

    ...in my Oxford Illustrated Dictionary.

    No. 3 is "produced or involving production without chemical fertilizers or pesticides, etc."

    Or Merriam-Webster:

    3a (1):  of, relating to, or derived from living organisms

    (2):  of, relating to, yielding, or involving the use of food produced with the use of feed or fertilizer of plant or animal origin without employment of chemically formulated fertilizers, growth stimulants, antibiotics, or pesticides

    b (1):  of, relating to, or containing carbon compounds (2) :  relating to, being, or dealt with by a branch of chemistry concerned with the carbon compounds of living beings and most other carbon compounds.

    The Online Science Dictionary:
    Describes agricultural raw materials which have been grown without chemical fertilizers, pesticides or growth promoters. Organic foods have agricultural inputs grown or processed from organic raw materials. For a food to be legally defined as organic in the EU not less than 95% of the agricultural inputs must be from organic sources. If between 50% and 95% of the agricultural input is organic this can be declared, but only on the ingredient list.
    In asking the question, I was trying to narrow down your response to determine what your exact position is. I take that position to be, based on your comment, that ANY "organic" label is BS and that telling people certain food hasn't been grown using pesticides, synthetic fertilizers, hormones, additives, gene modification, etc., is bogus.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 04:02:32 PM PDT

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    •  Again, that is anti-scientific fluff (0+ / 0-)

      specifically this:

      Describes agricultural raw materials which ave been grown without chemical fertilizers, pesticides or growth promoters
      .

      nothing grows without "chemical fertilizers" - be they natural (e.g.,  manure or nutrients leached out of rock) or man-made (Miracle-Gro), they are involved in the process.

      Similarly, if you don't give plant "artificial" pesticides, they make their own, in massive quantities in many cases.  It is simply not possible to have a pesticide free plant.

      Similarly, "growth promoters" is an incredibly vague term that could mean anything at all.

      And finally, same with "genetic modification" - all foods people eat have been genetically modified.  

      Basically, all of these processes are ubiquitous, and seem to be perfectly fine if they take place "naturally" but are taboo is done with human assistance - even though your blockquotes seem to avoid explicit mention of such anti-scientific Ludditism.

      Thus, the only definition of "organic" that is rigorous is the "carbon containing" one.  In the context of foodstuffs, the term is totally marketing fluff.

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