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  •  i must have a fuzzy memory (13+ / 0-)

    because i could swear we played this game just a year ago. or should i say- we were played.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:15:19 AM PDT

    •  Yep (5+ / 0-)

      Every time I do a google search for daily kos stories on the budget/debt ceiling, I get two year old results.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:18:30 AM PDT

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    •  We were played (4+ / 0-)

      Obama actually took them seriously at the beginning of his term. It took him a long time to realize that the the Republicans' idea of negotiating was to make Obama look as bad as possible while agreeing to absolutely nothing, even when he gave them exactly what they asked for.

      •  he's a seriously smart guy (6+ / 0-)

        i don't think a seriously smart guy could get played so many times.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:22:55 AM PDT

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        •  He doesn't seem to grasp (3+ / 0-)
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          that Lucy will never let him kick that football.

        •  I love the attitude of "no credit to the Pres. . . (0+ / 0-)

          for his accomplishments" and "here's what he should have done, which we KNOW would have turned out so much better."

          Do you think this attitude is helping? We have actual terrible people to fight. They're called Republicans, and they're certainly fighting us.

          TS

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          by Timeslayer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 09:40:19 AM PDT

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          •  they're fighting us (1+ / 0-)
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            would be nice if we fought them.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 01:12:06 PM PDT

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            •  My point is that. . . (0+ / 0-)

              as a strong Democrat who was beyond appalled by Bush's invasion of Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives destroyed by that war - Iraqi and American - and also beyond appalled by EVERYTHING Republicans have done since then, it's clear to me that defeating THEM should be our first priority.

              Do you think President Obama has accomplished some good things so far? I'm sure he has, and I doubt you'd disagree completely. Regardless, as a matter of electoral politics, the only vehicle for defeating our ENEMY, Republicans, is the Democratic Party.

              It's very discouraging that so many of us write off our Democratic president as a failure. Especially in light of what he HAS accomplished while being hampered by utterly depraved Republicans at virtually every turn.

              And if you disagree that Republicans are THE enemy, you really must not be paying attention.

              TS

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              by Timeslayer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 02:01:19 PM PDT

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              •  it's not about obama (1+ / 0-)
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                it's about the issues. when obama does well, he deserves praise. when he does poorly, he deserves to be criticized. on this issue he deserves criticism for enabling the republicans. i appreciate when he fights the republicans.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 02:04:14 PM PDT

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                •  Agreed, but from my perspective. . . (0+ / 0-)

                  he's done well a lot more than he's done poorly. Not in relation to ideal circumstances that do not exist, but in relation to the real-world America, i.e., a BADLY dysfunctional, barely-standing democracy with a craven corporate media whose main function is to propagate lies in the interest of big business (which COMPLETELY owns you know which party).

                  Progressive policies that benefit non-wealthy people are a very tough sell in this political environment. And yet we now have the Affordable Care Act (which IS what Biden said it is), financial reform, increased CAFE standards, significant GHG restrictions on new power plants on the way, an end to the Iraq War (which our President had the intelligence to oppose before it began), an end to "Don't Ask Don't Tell", an end to the belligerent fear-mongering and war-making that defined the Bush administration (and Osama Bin Laden actually dead), and a vastly less corrupt and more accountable federal government. Again, all despite the constant obstruction of absolutely deplorable Republicans. And President Obama had to fight for every one of those accomplishments (which are just some of more high-profile ones).

                  So from my perspective, a lot of the vitriol from the left directed at President Obama is unjustified (and counterproductive), caused by a failure to appreciate the strength of the powers that oppose him, and how that reality must inform his decision-making.

                  Also, any party that tries to prevent people of minority races from voting needs to be vanquished ASAP.

                  TS

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                  by Timeslayer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 02:32:45 PM PDT

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                  •  again (1+ / 0-)
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                    this isn't an assessment of his overall record, it's an assessment of his handling of this issue. and policies that benefit the non-wealthy are enormously popular with the public. the more he fights the republicans, the more popular he will be.

                    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 02:57:57 PM PDT

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                    •  Ok. Well I agree that he should not offer. . . (0+ / 0-)

                      any concessions to Republicans in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling. I think he himself admitted that he made a mistake in his approach to this situation last time.

                      I hope he becomes more popular as he increasingly calls out Republicans specifically for their awfulness. But do you think Republicans will pay for their actions in next year's elections? I don't think they will, b/c (1) they really never have, at least to the degree that would be justified, and (2) they have mastered control of the mainstream media, which bends over backwards to give "equal time" to their lies and never adequately rebuts them for the sake of informing the public. Far too many potential-Democratic voters will still be in the dark and vote Republican out of ignorance.

                      I really hope I'm wrong.

                      TS

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                      by Timeslayer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 03:13:00 PM PDT

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      •  No-one as demonstrably smart as Obama (3+ / 0-)
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        can "get played" that many times, in largely the same fashion, by largely the same group of people.

        Whatever payoff Wall Street has arranged for him, I hope it's worth it for him having to pretend to halve his IQ every time the Republicans make another ransom demand.

        "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

        by Australian2 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:52:03 AM PDT

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