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  •  From an overview perspective, (5+ / 0-)

    what we really have is a governmental coup. Let's say the House closes down the gov't over the senate's refusal to defund Obamacare.

    And let's say they succeed. What's the next step? Next time, do they threaten to shut down unless we slash Social Security?  And if that works, next time do they threaten to shut the gov't over eliminating Medicare?

    Giving into the Rebuplicans is like feeding your dog at the table and expecting him to go away. No, he just begs the harder, because the strategy worked.

    If the Senate or the President gives in, what that does is say that the House has veto power over every decision and every law.

    •  legislation by terrorist threat (3+ / 0-)
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      as I said in another comment, this is Weimar-style dysfunction. When a political party threatens to blow up the world economy to get its way, a key line has been crossed.

      This is not how the governing process works in a healthy democracy. We aren't a healthy democracy, and we haven't been since the Supreme Court installed George W. Bush into the presidency even though he wasn't duly elected.

      Since then the coup has continued, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but always it has continued steadily forward. Obama has done nothing to roll it back and now he is abetting the instigators of the coup by refusing to use his presidential powers to stop them.

      Surely we'll reach the endgame within the next five or six years, and a true dictatorship will be installed in America. There really isn't much left for them to do.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 08:55:50 AM PDT

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      •  What is a "true dictatorship?" (1+ / 0-)
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        I think the U.S. will continue to be a "representative democracy" for centuries to come; in exactly the same way that the U.K. has continued to be a "monarchy". We have a "Senate" and a "House" and a "Supreme Court" in the same way that they have a "Queen". I don't see that changing.

        We're already for all practical purposes governed by and for the shareholders of multinational corporations; at least 90%. A literal coup; a rewrite of the Constitution, all of that would get people's attention- not just here but worldwide- causing much unrest for little real gain.

        Continuing the Punch & Judy show in Washington D.C. in perpetuity is a small price for the real PTB to pay for our complaceny.

      •  One party in our two party system (1+ / 0-)
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        is no longer committed to a democratic form of government. They serve only the oligarchic 1%.  These economic terrorists need to be turned out of office in 2014.  We here at Dkos  need to focus on 2014.

        We can have democracy in this country, or we can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis Brandeis

        by Ohkwai on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 09:56:54 AM PDT

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        •  One party? (0+ / 0-)

          Both parties are committed to the 1%. They just play "Good cop" and "Bad cop".

          "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

          by Australian2 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 06:30:04 PM PDT

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