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  •  The farm has to be set up for it (0+ / 0-)

    Factory farming is not suitable for raw milk production; a consequence is that universal pasteurization has made it easier for factory farms to get away with operating under cruel and filthy conditions.

    Outlawing raw milk per se, however, is overreach.  An old-fashioned farm that doesn't overcrowd its cows and keeps them clean can probably produce safe enough raw milk.  It probably needs a form of inspection that the agribusiness protection agency, er, USDA can't deal with, but that's solvable.

    •  Sorry (4+ / 0-)
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      Mysteron, murrayewv, skohayes, Kimbeaux

      even on the cleanest small dairy farm  such as I have, bacteria can still thrive.  You cannot completely sanitize the rear end of any animal.  You know what?  They pee and poo while you are milking them.  

      My inspectors are really good, and taught me well of the dangers and potential sources.  They do not deserve the slur you put on them.  They have families that drink milk too, and trust me, with the hoops they made me jump through, they take their business seriously.

      They shut down a major cow dairy nearby without a second thought due to salmonella.  It turns out it was not in the milk, or the containers, but on the trays that carried the containers, spreading it to the containers, making people who drank directly out of the container sick.

      Raw milk production is inherently dangerous.  I am absolutely fastidious about hygiene, and yet I would never dream of selling raw milk to a customer.  Because if that person gets sick - and that's only a matter of time - not only is that a circumstance I do not want to be responsible for - I do not want to lose everything I own.

      There are too many stories of these 'old-fashioned' dairies making people sick.

      The old cow dairy I bought had dead cows buried all over the place, leaching into the water.  The local raw milk producers who came to my place for a tour told me how they would leave their equipment 8 hours before washing it, or would not use gloves during milking because if felt more 'natural'.

      •  Yet, we still sell raw meat. We don't require (0+ / 0-)

        it be sold cooked.

        It sickens hundreds of thousands, and kills a couple thousand every year, due to poor handling.

        I wouldn't drink raw milk, but I do consume aged cheeses made from it.  Calculated risks.

        And some people eat steak tartar.  

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:57:50 PM PDT

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      •  Not all bacteria are bad (0+ / 0-)

        Of course there are bacteria everywhere; the human body contains 3-5 pounds of them.  Cows must be really full of them, given their digestive system.

        Humans can tolerate a certain amount of even "harmful" bacteria if they have a good immune system.  If they have a compromised one, they should certainly stay away from raw milk, raw meat, etc.!  We're talking common sense, which I realize is in short supply on both sides, public and government.  Provide the public with honest information about the risks and let them make choices.  Raw milk isn't as inherently dangerous as, say, smoking.  It just doesn't have the same corporate clout behind it.

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