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  •  only nit is the assumption it's not too late. (7+ / 0-)

    it rather is too late.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility- mperiousRex.

    by terrypinder on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:17:46 AM PDT

    •  Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we fry? n/t (14+ / 0-)

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:19:51 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, and with the massive ongoing (4+ / 0-)
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      carbon being used - with slated increases over the next have century or so - things will only become more dire.

      It is time to get over the idea that catastrophe can be prevented and /or avoided and get hard at work towards mitigating it.

    •  Too late to avoid major changes (2+ / 0-)
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      But it is never too late to kick carbon. Indeed, it is still imperative that we do so. Because if we don't kick carbon now, it is going to be even worse in the future. So as we talk about adaptation to climate change, we cannot lose sight of the fact that we still absolutely have to cut carbon emissions, today.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 01:39:03 PM PDT

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      •  THIS! ^ ^ ^ (6+ / 0-)

        We know we're going to have to deal with more climate change than we can really clearly imagine.  But we still have to focus fiercely on reducing carbon emissions as fast as possible.  THat's the first imperative.  How far past 2C are we going?  To 3C?  That's bad.  To 4C, which many scientist believe will be incompatible with the survival of global civilization?  That's...worse.  And somewhere out there is a temperature rise from which the biosphere itself simply can't recover;  the feedback loops will be too many and too drastic.  So we lose humanity and all the rest of it too, and over the course of a few centuries Earth turns into another Venus.

        Ah, what a waste.  

        Let's not go there, okay?

        Remember that in 2014 there are 127 power plants set to be built in the US, and only three of them are coal.  The rest are either natural gas or wind; and wind outnumbers natural gas.

        I don't say that because it's a fast enough pace of change to carry us.  It's not, especially with all the methane that's released by fracking for natural gas.  All the same, it's a pace of change that could not have been predicted 10 years ago, or even five years ago.  We have to keep that up.  We have to keep changing the rate of transition that's possible.

        And we have to hope that some of those bright scientists, biologists, farmers, etc., who are out there looking for ways to store solar energy, slow down ocean acidification, store massive amounts of carbon in greener semi-arid plains, etc -- hope that some of them strike gold.  No magic bullet; that's not going to happen.  But there may be significant help for speeding up the transition away from carbon, and for mitigating the harm.

        We can't know.  And because we don't know, we can't give up.  There's simply too much at stake.

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        by Fiona West on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 02:51:13 PM PDT

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        •  Not only is the rate of building coal-fired power (0+ / 0-)

          plants down, but closings of old polluting plants are on the rise. We are net negative for coal generation this year, and will soon be much more so.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:07:45 AM PDT

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      •  Right. We get bad major changes, horrific losses. (1+ / 0-)
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        If we change, we also get to NOT have a dead race on a mostly-dead planet.

        That's the idea.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 04:21:56 PM PDT

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    •  It is too late to prevent major consequences (0+ / 0-)

      It is not, and cannot be too late to prevent even worse consequences.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 07:03:56 AM PDT

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