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  •  Nukes Non-Proliferation Pact (3+ / 0-)
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    If both Iran and Israel agree never to have nuke weapons, it's Israel that will have a much harder time evading the inspections. But each will have a hard time avoiding signing such an agreement if Iran presses for it.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 08:13:26 PM PDT

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    •  I don't think Israel will ever agree to anything (2+ / 0-)
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      … short of, "We can and are going to continue to do anything we d**n well please. Because Holocaust, that's why."

      I hope I'm wrong.

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ☮ ♥ ☺

      by lotlizard on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 08:35:46 PM PDT

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      •  It's a bit asymmetric (3+ / 0-)
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        Not that I support proliferation... but let's look at it from Israel's perspective, and I don't mean the settlers'.  They're surrounded by hostile neighbors -- look at the choices in Syria -- and they may be the one country that has a rational reason to view nukes as a "deterrent".  That kind of ugly reality doesn't fit the nominal rules, but it's understandable.  Iran, in contrast, has no need for nukes; it's large and conventionally powerful, with no serious state-sized enemies in any position to attack them, unless the US goes nuts, in which case nukes won't help.

        •  An exceptionalism even more intense than ours. n/t (0+ / 0-)

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ☮ ♥ ☺

          by lotlizard on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:56:31 PM PDT

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        •  Iraq attacked Iran, causing immense bloodshed, (4+ / 0-)

          … with the approval of the U.S. and other NATO countries.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          A million dead? Nothing like that ever happened, or would be allowed to happen, to Israel.

          In a real sense, Iran is also encircled by hostile military forces — our troops in Afghanistan, our leave-behinds (covert assets) in Iraq, our cronies in Pakistan . . .

          Seen from a different perspective, it would be Israel who has no need for concern, and Iran who has everything to worry about.

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ☮ ♥ ☺

          by lotlizard on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 11:24:18 PM PDT

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        •  A hyperpower has invaded two of Iran's neighbors (1+ / 0-)
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          and is operating a bombing campaign in a third.

          The same hyperpower has engaged in cyber warfare against Iran, has within a few decades supported Iraq in a war of naked aggression in which 100,000 Iranians were gassed, and the Israeli satellite of that hyperpower has been caught close to red-handed funding the murder of Iranian scientists.

          Oh, and the US just delisted one of the most violent anti-Iranian terrorist groups in the world.

           Iran has the military potency of Sweden, and North Korea has made it clear that nukes certainly do help dissuade a bellicose US.

          Oh, and Iran has a couple of nuclear neighbors, one of which (Pakistan) has been known in modern times to launch some pretty nasty wars of aggression.

          "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 03:17:20 AM PDT

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    •  Iran already agreed to never have nuke (2+ / 0-)
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      weapons.  45 years ago.  And they've repeatedly reaffirmed that commitment.

      "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 03:09:02 AM PDT

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      •  Empty Agreements (0+ / 0-)

        Until Iran allows independent weapons inspectors to investigate any site evidence shows is a nuke weapons site, Iran can agree to anything it wants. Iran's government is no different from any other government, including Israel's and the US', in lying "for existential reasons" to protect a nukes programme.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 09:38:12 AM PDT

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        •  Iran is in compliance with the original NPT. (1+ / 0-)
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          The US is not satisfied with this.

          The US demands that Iran cease all enrichment of uranium, something Iran has an unquestioned right to do.

          The NPT does not require that states allow openly hostile nations to send "inspectors" anywhere they wish without notice to compile target lists for airstrikes, as the US did in Iraq under the rubric of arms inspections.

          There are no independent inspectors anymore.  Read the Wikileaks cables.  The IAEA has been subverted and "our man" is heading it.  That's according to internal State Department memos.

          "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:12:34 PM PDT

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          •  UN Inspectors (0+ / 0-)

            Let me cut through all of this. Until UN inspectors with access they say is adequate certify Iran is not building nukes, I will not believe that Iran is not building nukes. I want Iran not to build nukes.

            I don't think Iran is run by "crazy people", though I do know it's run by theocrats - which is crazy enough. Regardless of all that I don't want Iran to have nukes.

            In fact I don't want Israel, the Sauds, N Korea, or anyone else to have nukes. Not Pakistan, nor India, nor Brazil, nor Russia, nor the US. But there's going to be a last country with nukes, and I prefer that to be the US.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:03:28 AM PDT

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            •  You prefer the last country with Nukes to (0+ / 0-)

              be the most belligerent nation of the last 60 years, and the only nation to ever engage in Nuclear terror strikes aimed at civilians?

              "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

              by JesseCW on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 05:13:05 PM PDT

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