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  •  I'm sure there are more trends (15+ / 0-)

    This was all I could think of at the time. One of my friends suggested Jim Crow voting rights laws, but this was as much 20th Century as 19th.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 04:47:58 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah When People Want to Take Over a Society (15+ / 0-)

      and completely remake it, the lists ultimately include just about everything.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 04:53:05 PM PDT

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      •  If things keep going in the same direction (16+ / 0-)

        we could include gun usage/ownership as one of the trends.
          I don't recall people walking around in public armed with guns when I was growing up.

        None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

        by gjohnsit on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 05:18:46 PM PDT

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        •  Of course you don't. (27+ / 0-)

          Back then, there was a hell of a lot more opportunity to be had merely by being alive.

          People are, first and foremost, still animals that walk the earth. And an undeniable facet of being an animal is that those animals that are basically free of the physical dangers of food/shelter and free of the mental stresses of overwork/fatigue are largely sedate. Economic stresses are making people less sedate.

          Threaten an animal with harm, prepare for violent attack.
          Underfeed an animal, prepare for a violent attack.
          Overstress an animal, be prepared for a short-fuse before an attack.

          Of course there was FAR less need for guns when you were growing up and even earlier when the Depression was going on. Compare the percentage of the population that could self-sustain on its own farm or through local food production to the percentage of people that can do that today. Folks on their own farm could ride out the depression without being affected as long as they didn't need too much from the general store. It's not like the corn stopped growing, it's not like the cows stopped making milk, it's not like the water well gave less per pump just because there were fewer pieces of green paper floating around. But a shift happened away from that. That shift puts a larger percentage of the population under food stress, but the people seek money to buy food rather than seeking food directly.

          Seeking food directly, you could ghost into the outer edges of the farmer field in the dark and survive. There was even a bible verse I like to throw at the neocons/dominionists about farmers not harvesting to the edges, to leave those edge areas for the poor. Nowadays the big corporate conglomerate farms harvest every inch. Another example of the feudalism of land ownership in action.

          •  I just realized the ultimate 19th Century trend (19+ / 0-)

            19th Century Politics.

             I don't know why I didn't think of this before.

            None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

            by gjohnsit on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 06:39:21 PM PDT

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            •  I must of missed most of what was covered in (0+ / 0-)

              American history 1959-1960 school year in a flossy suburban school system with a good reputation because I disliked the teacher.  Just what did happen in American politics in the 19th Century? I believe we had Jefferson, Madison, two John Adams s, Andrew Jackson, a few rather NON-memorable presidents, then Abe Lincoln during the Civil War and Gen. U.S. Grant right after the Civil War, then some more not very memorable presidents.  Maybe Teddy Roosevelt was just before the end of the 1800s.  Maybe soon you will have a diary comparing 19th and 21st Century politics.

          •  Imaginary Self Sufficiency (13+ / 0-)

            Hardly any farms were ever self-sufficient. The corn might have kept growing, but you can't eat just corn. Farmers have always traded to get the rest of what they need. During the Great Depression the economy made it harder or impossible to trade for all they needed. Meanwhile in cities the greater diversity of supplies and skills let people survive.

            All of which is demonstrated by the great migrations from farms to cities.

            There is very little need for guns today. Except in the imagination of people who dream they've lost a mythical self-sufficiency they've never had. The gun industry, in partnership with the media's fear industry, gives them the dream of empowerment by guns to replace all the other real power they've lost through more effective interdependencies, which is smokescreened by the imaginary loss of self-sufficiencies they never had.

            BTW, the American farming system has always been dependent on public subsidy. From the beginning when whole nations were genocided and ecosystems destroyed to make way for colonists, through government irrigation, government electricity, government telephones, government roads, government price stabilizations, government research, and even government subsidized large agricorps buying out family farms. These farms were never self-sufficient in any way.

            Except for those tribal people who farmed for millennia. And we know what all the gun carrying did to them.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 06:46:36 PM PDT

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          •  Crime is at an 80+ year low. (3+ / 0-)
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            There has rarely been as little need to defend yourself from crime in the streets as there is today.

            "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 01:37:13 AM PDT

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              •  Expanded.... (1+ / 0-)
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                'Crime' is different than gun ownership. Plenty of crime happens without guns.

                According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, 467,321 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm in 2011.[1] In the same year, data collected by the FBI show that firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 41 percent of robbery offenses and 21 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.[2]
                So, more than half of the robberies happened without a gun.
                Each gun-related agg assault had three that happened without a gun.

                The point I was aiming for was that the higher rate of self-sufficiency had a systemic effect on the entire temperament of society.

                Sure, people starved, but the overall ability of the population to meet the most basic needs of survival was higher and thus the sense of danger of starvation was lower overall. Make the population more tense through a higher sense of non-survival and you get a population where individuals are more prepared to fight for their survival.

                It's the fable of the sun and the north wind, scaled up from the individual level to the population tier. The most basic truth of that fable is that if you want someone to give something up, then you must remove all of the motivation for the person to keep it.

                The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
                They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.
                Then the North Wind blew as hard as he could, but the more he blew the more closely did the traveler fold his cloak around him;
                and at last the North Wind gave up the attempt. Then the Sun shined out warmly, and immediately the traveler took off his cloak.
                And so the North Wind was obliged to confess that the Sun was the stronger of the two.

    •  Kerry Underwood is on Sunday Night Football, who (0+ / 0-)

      cares about politics!

      you people need to get a life.

      Just chant "mean republicans! bad republicans! being mean isn't nice!!" during your 2 minute hate.


      Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

      by seabos84 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 05:38:32 AM PDT

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