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  •  Major reason we left California: too many people. (5+ / 0-)

    Way too many people, and the more crowded they were, the loonier and more sociopathic they seemed to become.

    Manners, except in small groups, seems to become some kind of abstract concept that only applies to "other people." The best explanation I could come up with was that when nobody around you is ever going to see you again, what's the point in behaving? Why bother to see other people as actual human beings?

    Rural life is much more refreshing. There are idiots, but at least everybody knows who they are and what they do.

    "Rural" is also widely variable. Even though there are several thousand people in our town, there are also bobcats, coyotes, deer, skunks, and rattlesnakes in town. We killed a rattlesnake in our garage just a couple years ago (getting the proper authorities to the garage would have taken a minimum of four hours; we didn't feel like standing guard on a deadly snake for that long), found bobcat scat in town (where small children often play) this past summer, and just driving down the street at night (and often during the day) without hitting a deer takes a ridiculous amount of attention. I don't carry a gun regularly, but I see no sensible reason to get rid of the ones I own.

    If people want to ban guns, let them go for local ordinances. The US is too large and diverse for a national, "one size fits all" policy.

    •  That's interesting. (0+ / 0-)

      I had exactly the opposite reaction.

      In the city, there are a lot of people, and the vast majority of them are all right.  I get along well with most of my neighbors, and people tend (with the usual exceptions) to respect each others' property and look out for each other.

      But when i lived out in rural country, I had a lot of neighbors who had moved there because they didn't like anybody, and were doing their best to avoid any human contact.  Most often, these weer the idjits who would sit on their porches on halloween with a shotgun across their laps, yelling at people to stay off of their property.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 10:54:55 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe South as opposed to West? (0+ / 0-)

        Sounds like a complete stereotype. Nothing like that out here, except possibly in Jordan. Very insular people up there.

        •  I'm in California. (0+ / 0-)

          In the city, we get (in my neighborhood, at least) a lot of Barbara Boxer people.

          Out in the rural parts, we get more Tom Metzger and Darrell Issa fans.

          I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

          by trumpeter on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:09:54 PM PDT

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          •  Ah, rural California. Like Hemet. (0+ / 0-)

            Sure, there are definitely some weird people out in the hinterlands of California. Great meth country. I had a sister that lived there once.

            Only time I've been in a desolate country where all the telescopes were aimed downward, instead of upward.

            I'm not entirely certain I would consider them a good representation of the bulk of rural America, though, any more than I would consider the meth-heads living in the mountains surrounding Missoula to be "rural". Mostly what I find to be typical around here are people who could be called "conservative rednecks", who are generally polite, but utterly incapable of discussing politics rationally.

            I just don't talk politics with them, and we get along just fine.

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