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  •  And it's fine to feel all warm and fuzzy about it (0+ / 0-)

    Just know that you're operating precisely according to Republican plan by doing so

    "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

    by iSenseChange on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:17:30 PM PDT

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    •  um, no, i'm going with OFA on this. and (1+ / 0-)
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      regardless, this horse has left the barn.  why lament it now, it's a done deal.

      "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

      by MRA NY on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:22:04 PM PDT

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      •  It's not done and this is part of the problem (1+ / 0-)
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        Many Americans still don't know the facts on this bill and this provides safe haven for the pyromaniacs in the House to toy with both a shutdown and a default, to say nothing of actually getting folks signed up for the exchanges, which ensures the degree to which this will be seen as a success.

        Yes the bill is a law and will remain a law but it could be more successful and more successful sooner the more folks get signed up for it.

        It's every bit as harmful as saying 'debt ceiling' when every single Democratic or liberal advocate should just call it 'defaulting on the debt' over and over again until it gets drummed into people's heads. Why are Dems so bad at this?

        "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

        by iSenseChange on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:29:58 PM PDT

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        •  do you really think there is any chance of (1+ / 0-)
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          stripping it of the Obamacare label now?  when even the President uses that? and when the Republicans certainly will use it, at least as long as they think they can obstruct?

          your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

          "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

          by MRA NY on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:47:39 PM PDT

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          •  Well thanks for stopping by (2+ / 0-)
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            And it's never too late, in my opinion, for Democrats to learn the basics of messaging, at which they are rock-bottom abysmal.

            "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

            by iSenseChange on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:49:23 PM PDT

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            •  in this case, i think it is the R's that lose with (1+ / 0-)
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              this messaging, if that is any consolation.

              "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

              by MRA NY on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:50:45 PM PDT

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              •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

                And in the meantime maybe we can acknowledge that Dems (who are still fighting 'Death Panels') are abysmal at messaging and at least try to be conscious of the opponent's framing and messaging for the next one. For once. That'd be nice.

                "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

                by iSenseChange on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 01:12:35 PM PDT

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