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  •  I disagree with both of you. :) (13+ / 0-)

    The reason the president negotiated in 2011 was neither to lay groundwork of bipartisanship to legitimize not negotiating now nor was it "caving", it was rather done out of a genuine desire to achieve a "grand bargain".  

    Contrary to what many progressives believe, a grand bargain would be a boon for future progressive legislation because it would take the "deficit/debt" issue off the table for years to come.  It would be hard for repubs to argue against government investments based on "OMG! Debt!!!" if there were in place a mechanism for lowering the debt in the long term, which a grand bargain would entail.

    But now it's obvious that there will be no grand bargain, thus there's no legit reason to negotiate anything.  The only impetus for negotiating this time is the hostage taking, which is not a legit reason to negotiate budgets, debt ceilings, health care, etc.

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