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  •  That's waht we should be afraid of (8+ / 0-)

    that Obama gets that grand bargain and we are still stuck with sequester.

    Next up. Debt Ceiling.

    I'm with Atrios on that one. If for no other reason at this point than it will really piss then off

    "Information is power. But like all power there are those who want to keep it for themselves" Aaron Swartz, 1986 - 2013

    by TheMomCat on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 09:45:43 PM PDT

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    •  And that it gets messaged as a "GOP disaster." (8+ / 0-)

      Be careful of our "victories."
      Chained-CPI, continued sequester but the GOP is in disarray?!

      Stay tuned.

      •  Marc "Little Dick" Thiessen seems to think the GOP (5+ / 0-)

        needs to get better at political terrorism, since he seems to be its biggest fan.

        The GOP flunks Hostage Taking 101

        Fucking asshole.

        "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by Kombema on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 10:24:26 PM PDT

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        •  You're kidding: (1+ / 0-)
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          Democrats are in such a panic over the prospect of a government shutdown that President Obama spent four hours on the golf course Saturday and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told his colleagues to take the weekend off, while House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi left town to celebrate her 50th wedding anniversary.
          •  If there were a REAL American press to call this (1+ / 0-)
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            shit out as the lies and distortions it is, it would be one thing. But these assholes have no incentive to tell the truth, since the lapdog stenographer MSM just repeats their lies as though they're just another reasonable point of view. I'm SO angry at the media right now I can't think straight. They've encouraged these radical anarchists and fascists, who are now reaping more than ever the protection of their he-said-she-said false equivalence on facts.


            "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

            by Kombema on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 06:31:01 PM PDT

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            •  Anarchism has nothing to do with fascism (0+ / 0-)

              Anarchists oppose fascism, and were instrumental in initiating the resistance to the Francoists fascists in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.

              Here's an explanation of anarchism, made elsewhere in another post:

              Anarchism isn't simply being "against government" but rather against unjust authority, including central government, hierarchy, oligarchy, an owner class, etc. It is therefore against all forms of systemic inequality, oppression and exploitation, including wage labor, racism, patriarchy, capitalism, homophobia, corporate command structure, etc.

              Anarchists are thus anti-capitalist, since capitalism is based on an owner class which controls and exploits a working class.

              Tea Partiers and Republicans are against government only to the extent that it supports the working class and regulates the owner class. They support capitalism completely, and thus they support oligarchy and they support the owner class, and they support property rights, which includes state enforcement of private property rights (police), and they support the exploitation of wage labor.

              Anarchists would replace the state with federations of egalitarian participatory communities on local, regional, national and international levels, would abolish private ownership of the means of production, and all "government" would be bottom up, and horizontal in organization.

              The first person to use the term anarchism or anarchist was Proudhon, who coined the term back in 1840. Proudhon was anti-capitalist, and wanted to replace the central state authority with federations of collectives on local, regional, national and international levels.  Since he coined the term, his definition of it, along with other anarchist thinkers he influenced, like Bakunin, Kropotkin, and others, is widely referenced as the classic definition of anarchism.

              An = without, and archo = authority, ruler. Anarcho thus means without authority, without ruler.

              Since the right wing supports and asserts the authority of private property (private property “rights”), and supports enforcement of those rights over others, including authority of the employer (who owns the means of production) over the propertyless working class (a construct completely dependent on the notion that historically public lands and resources can be privately taken and dominated by individuals, using power of physical force, the church, lords and monarchs, and the authority of the state), they can’t logically claim to support a social system of management that is “without authority”.

              Capitalism is completely dependent on the faux authority of private property ownership. And capitalism needs police power of the state to enforce and protect the assets of the owner class. Capitalism and authority go hand in hand. Capitalism can’t exist without authority over the working class.

              So, no, right wing tea party propertarians are not anarchists. The notion is ludicrous, and is an insult to the tradition of anarchism. The only people who use this term in such an illogical and misinformed manner are those who have no knowledge of anarchism and/or arrogantly want to impose their definitions on the term.

              And to do so is to support an Orwellian spin of the term, to make it seem as if capitalism supports the liberty and equality that is part of traditional anarchist philosophy. Using the right wing distorted definition is basically helping the right wing to fool people with this  propagandistic  attempt to make themselves seem to be in support of freedom, when “anarcho-capitalism” really only provides "liberty" to the wealthy class, and not to the majority, who are working class.

              "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

              by ZhenRen on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:21:29 PM PDT

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              •  Some of them are fascists, some are anarchists (0+ / 0-)

                FWIW, I very well know the difference. This is a devil's coalition of fascist robberbarons, religio-fascist charlatans, and moronic racist yahoo Sovereign Citizens types who want to bring down all government -- especially the one run by the black Kenyan anti-Christ in the WH.

                "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

                by Kombema on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 07:59:04 AM PDT

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                •  None are anarchists (0+ / 0-)

                  and anarchists are not fascists, and oppose fascism even more than capitalists.

                  "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                  by ZhenRen on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:48:22 PM PDT

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