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  •  I don't understand... (9+ / 0-)

    ...why the Congresscritters are getting paychecks at all, when they have shut down the government.  Shouldn't their paychecks be the first thing that gets turned off?

    But then, there's a lot I don't understand about all this foolishness.

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    by Avast Ye Swobbie on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:14:36 AM PDT

    •  it's the law, something some want to change (5+ / 0-)

      i wrote diary about this yesterday. Time for Law to Make Members of Congress "Non-essential" & Forfeit Salary When Government Shutdown?

      Now, members of congress are not subject to furlough when there is shutdown.

      At the shutdown threat in 2011 and this past week, lawmakers from both parties have proposed measures to make lawmakers subject to furlough. The GOP measures tend to enable the lawmakers to get paid after shutdown is over. A measure Sen. Boxer proposed in 2011 would provide that their salaries are forfeited, with no opportunity for retroactive payment. i like that idea because her proposal would function as a sanction or penalty of loss of salary.

      Generally, the workers furloughed have been called the horrible, demeaning word of "nonessential" workers. Some of these proposals have required that the lawmakers would become "nonessential workers" too and be subject to furlough. I think that label would piss off the arrogant GOP who see themselves as being so special and having more rights than us.

      Now that the GOP is losing in the polls on the shutdown blame, maybe some form of legislation to strip them of the right to take salary during shutdown they caused would have a chance.

      •  While emotionally, I couldn't agree more, (2+ / 0-)

        it may be impossible to do that.

        On my local NPR station I heard a discussion today that was sparked by a caller who'd heard that, following the Gingrich shutdown, the furloughed employees received their pay retroactively (true).  He was upset that they'd been treated to a "paid vacation"(like they knew ahead of time they'd get paid eventually, and when!). He felt that if they hadn't worked those three weeks, they shouldn't have been paid for them. He suggested that they should show up and work without pay until the shutdown was over, and then they'd deserve to be paid retroactively.

        The guest, Susan Page, the Washington bureau chief of USA Today, explained that they couldn't, because it is illegal to work for the government as a volunteer. Therefore, it would be impossible for Congress to be in session (to act to end the shutdown) without being paid. Nice little catch-22, huh?

        You can hear the discussion here.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 01:12:57 PM PDT

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        •  catch can be changed (1+ / 0-)
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          please check out my diary, it's short. the law now is that congress can't be subject to furlough.

          however, several lawmakers from both parties have proposed changing that law so that members of congress can be added to the "nonessential workers".  i like the sen. boxer measure from 2 years ago, where the lawmakers don't get right to be paid retroactively with the rest of the civil workers. so it would be a penalty for lawmakers.

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